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Anti Battery Car Article
#21
That means that the gummint has not spent enough on GM. If they double the subsidy/bailout funds, the Volt will go 50 miles before running out of electrons instead of 25. Gummint investment will pay off, you know, since the gummint is run by experts.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#22
Yeah, we just haven't thrown enough money at the problem.

I am so proud of Guvmunt Motors, aren't you? We need Guvmunt in more things, because everybody's life will be a whole lot simpler.
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#23
WmL, the $500 cord story was the straw on the camel back for me.
It's just a fukking piece of rubber coated copper!
It shows that because it's trendy, they think they can put whatever price on anything that no one can afford.
It's not only dishonest, they are also destroying their own business doing so because poeple hate that.
Poeple hate hidden costs, will start to talk negatively about that, bad reputation are build realy quickely and last decades.

If they need to cover the R&D cost on the back of the first few thousand buyers, then they business model is bound to fail.
This is realy the aszhole attitude.
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#24
Tesla, Chevy Volt, and the $500 cord are examples how private businesses, not the state, not environmentalism, try to rip you off. If the government were worth anything, it would clamp down on practises like this.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#25
(02-08-2012, 11:18 PM)quadrat Wrote: Tesla, Chevy Volt, and the $500 cord are examples how private businesses, not the state, not environmentalism, try to rip you off. If the government were worth anything, it would clamp down on practises like this.

S13 LOL! S13
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#26
Yes, Q is right on this one: It's consumer abuse.
But we don''t need the gov to write a law on overpriced items. The consumers are going to react very quickely and unequivokely.
The problem is always with the few ones who get trapped.
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#27
If it were the gummint producing it and selling it (e.g the Trabant from Q's homeland), more than a few suckers would be trapped; namely everyone.

Caveat emptor is economic Darwinism. Not at all useless. But "it ain't fair" I can hear some voices saying.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#28
The gummit in Q's homeland also produced this car

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40 years before the Tesla. In comparable quantity. Planned unavailability, not unrealistic prices restricted the number of owners. Our economy suffered from incompetent central planning, yours from a government that's run by businesses ripping you off at every turn. Those cars, gas, credit cards, healthcare. Everwhere, every day. Are you better off?
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#29
It looks like some long lost drunken relative of the Daimler family trying to force sexual procreation between the 300 and an old 60s Ferrari. State planning at its best. S5

Communists were alway great at copying things from the West. Its just when they tried to get creative that they almost always fell on their faces. Actually I really miss DDR and their their Comrads to east. Lots of fun and good laughs to be had.

Sort of has me wanting to go get a copy of "The Russians are Coming, The Russians Are Coming". A great Norman Jewison film. Alan Arkin should have won the Oscar that year for his part in it.

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#30
Alan Arkin was better sitting in a tree naked in Catch 22. I loved when the sexy nurses switched the IVs with the catheter tubes.
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#31
jt Wrote:If it were the gummint producing it and selling it (e.g the Trabant from Q's homeland), more than a few suckers would be trapped; namely everyone.
Yes, but here all these cars are not build by governements (except for the GM ones). In Europe subsidies account for about 20% of the price, barely equivalent to the VAT (sale tax) and no governement is involved in production, planning or pricing.

The private manufacturer are cheating the governement and the consumers and the taxpayers by making prices much higher than they should.

IMO it was a wrong idea to give or lend money to private companies or allow subsidies for privately produced stuff in hope that it will help technological progress in a way desired by the new environemental policy.
Not only prices for electric cars are prohibitive, but the technological improvements are ridiculous in regard to the sums invested.

In fact governements should have secret military program to develop car batteries and electrify armored combat units.
Such units would have an overwhelming advantage over the ennemies: Their engine would be silent, start and shut down instantly (no pre-heating), better acceleration/deceleration, less mecanic parts and failures, refueling would be done in 5 minutes by replacing the batteries, less risk of explosion (on the vehicle and on the storage), power directly available for electric devices (radars, radio, computers...) etc.
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#32
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#33
Do I smell something? Sure,............it all the BullShit you are shoveling out to all of us.
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#34
Another article against battery cars: The need for a smartgrid (rebuilding the power distribution system) and resale loss.I like the comparison with old computers.
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#35
"Clean Car"
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Took 5 hours for 35 firefighters to extinguish the fire... Fumes were highly toxic. Fire restarted constantly as other bettery cells caught fire one after another...
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