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Soaring Hard-Drive Prices
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Most people are almost totally unaware of the shortfall in hard drives and the quick rise in the market. In fact, if you try to get one from Best Buy, or even from internet giants, such as Geeks or NewEgg, you will be shocked. I have noticed it take off and wondered why this sudden glitch, but have quite a few hard drives lying around, so I didn't actively become aware of it until a few days ago. So I went back and looked over my old electronic fliers from NewEgg, Geeks, and a couple others, and they are so high these vendors no longer advertise them like they used to do.

Now the emphasis is on monitors. This is the very best time to replace/add a new monitor, or TV. Prices are about as cheap as you will find them.

Woody Leonhard, over at Windows Secrets, explains why this is currently going on.

One thing of note here. I used to think like the next guy, that almost all computer parts were made in Taiwan, mainland China, or Japan. But that's not true: Thailand is a huge hard-drive center. And like all governments, it uses central planning by offering economic incentives to businesses to locate in certain areas. That's right, certain areas that are highly vulnerable to floods. Well, lets hope they have learned their lesson, that sometimes it is best to let markets decide where to locate businesses.

Meanwhile, we are just going to have to endure outrageous H-D prices until things can get back on their feet again.

This is a Must Read article if you like keeping up with the computer world.
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Has anyone bothered reading this thread yet?

This may not appear to be much, on the surface. However, it affects the ultimate cost of computers and the cost of storage. I'm surprise no one has even bothered to remark on it, since the prices are so high I it is causing the market to slow down on just this one shortfall.

If I didn't already have several 1.5TB, and two 2TB hard drives I would be having fits by now.
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I have read and am fully aware of the motor/construction issues of hard drives. It's annoying seeing the prices sky rocket because two of my drives are full and while my NAS is useful, network storage just ain't cutting it for what I need. I'm going to hold off until prices come back down though. Trying to make due in the mean time. It's interesting seeing Black Friday specials of 1TB drives costing what 2-3TB drives used to cost.
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I talked to a friend of mine, who I met on another site, Boon-Me, and he(Greg) told me the flooding in Thailand was horrible. He lives just south of Bangkok, where all of this flooding finally settled in, and he knows all about the disaster to the hard drive makers there. Its been a severe hardship on the economy as well.

The worst of the flood is over in the valley where the manufacturers were located, and just moved further down river. Perhaps now they can get back to playing 'catch-up' now.
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I wonder how Q is making out there?
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(11-25-2011, 12:19 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: I wonder how Q is making out there?

I think something may have happened to "Q". I don't know what, but he is thick skinned enough not to give up on his special status here as Contrary/Heyoka. He has too much fun here stirring the pot.

The one thing about the internet is that someone could die and nobody would know anything about it within groups. Who knows, but living over there and living a certain lifestyle is not conducive to a long and healthy life anyway.

We'll just have to wait and see if he resurfaces again in the future.

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The whole idea of this driving solid state is intriguing. Savy long term thinkers would be dropping the prices on SSDs, increasing their installed base of happy trouble-free, crash-free customers and cultivating the idea that their superior technology "is only a bit more expensive" than the dinosaur stuff.

... then again, they could simply jack up their prices and resort to short term gratification. It will be interesting to watch. God Bless the market system ... in which rather than actual harmful 'shortages' there will likely be only an increase in prices in which those who don't really 'need' will put things off and those who 'require' will pay a bit more.

... Q is missed. I've always wondered if his reported 'lifestyle' was simply an affectation designed exclusively to p*ss people off ... maybe he's simply on a walkabout?
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jL Wrote:I used to think like the next guy, that almost all computer parts were made in Taiwan, mainland China, or Japan. But that's not true: Thailand is a huge hard-drive center.
What's the difference?
Still an overcrowded country in asia where women do $2 a day and men $5 or 6...
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(12-01-2011, 02:59 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
jL Wrote:I used to think like the next guy, that almost all computer parts were made in Taiwan, mainland China, or Japan. But that's not true: Thailand is a huge hard-drive center.
What's the difference?
Still an overcrowded country in asia where women do $2 a day and men $5 or 6...

Fred, Stop what you are doing and read the link I posted that started this thread. I am talking about the FLOODING in Thailand. The flooding is not in mainland China, Taiwan, or Japan. I did not know that Thailand made such a huge percent of hard drives, was my point.

But the main point is that there is a severe shortfall in hard drives as a result.

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(12-01-2011, 02:59 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
jL Wrote:I used to think like the next guy, that almost all computer parts were made in Taiwan, mainland China, or Japan. But that's not true: Thailand is a huge hard-drive center.
What's the difference?
Still an overcrowded country in asia where women do $2 a day and men $5 or 6...

I do not think that description really fits Taiwan or Japan.
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(12-02-2011, 08:29 AM)Georgie-Porgie Wrote:
(12-01-2011, 02:59 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
jL Wrote:I used to think like the next guy, that almost all computer parts were made in Taiwan, mainland China, or Japan. But that's not true: Thailand is a huge hard-drive center.
What's the difference?
Still an overcrowded country in asia where women do $2 a day and men $5 or 6...

I do not think that description really fits Taiwan or Japan.

It really doesn't Georgie. The key to all this is "productivity", which is the result of a good's value, divided by the cost of production. That also includes labour wages, but is hardly the entire thing. In highly developed countries, where wages are high, but productivity is also high, there is no real incentive to move to another location. That is why Japan, and Taiwan, still produce a lot of high tech items. China too, but there are other countries getting in on the move up the economic ladder.

Now Thailand is on the leading edge, and as long as they are able to keep productivity high, they will keep being a magnet for businesses. If their productivity starts declining, then Western Digital, and others, will start looking elsewhere, so as to remain competitive, cut their costs, and still make a reasonable profit.

NOTE: the Thai government's tendency to impose where the best factory sites should be located, has lowered the Productivity of the hard drives, because they encouraged the factories to be located in a flood prone area. Stupid move IMO, and this flooding is the result. If this happens again, Western Digital, and other HD makers, will probably start looking at other places, such as South Vietnam. The Thai had better learn from this disaster. S5

Most people don't understand that the key to raising the standard of living in poor countries is not lower labour costs. Rather it is Productivity. If Botswana were able to generate the best productivity, they would be making all this for businesses.

Also, if you will note, all of these countries are located in the same general vicinity. South Asia has a developing population that is better educated, highly motivated, and they are close to each other, which promotes easy shipping of parts from one place to another.

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Here is the first sign I can find that hard drive prices are going to be dropping back down to their earlier low levels. This 1TB Seagate hard drive is going for $59.99. But note that it is not a 7200 rpm drive. This means it still will have a way to go, but it is on the way down.

And note that this is a Seagate, not a Western Digital, which has huge fabrication plants in Thailand. They were flooded out and will definitely take time to get running back up at full steam.
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Ok, here is great news for those who have not been following the Hard Drive drought: The hard drive drought is over!

This is absolutely great news, because I just LOVE hard drive storage. I have hard drives all over the place: IDE, SATA, you name it. I have exteriour cases for either types. And believe it or not, from my early computers, I still have functional SCSI drives that have information I need to get transferred to new drives. I'm going to have to take a good week, or so, and go through all my drives, and catalogue all of my stored images, secret information, and antique/ancient programs. S5

Here's a true story on how a bunch of 'Five Percenters' weathered the hard drive drought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...IPaEY1nxlU
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And here is the latest not so great news: Heavy rain, flooding in Bangkok. If the computer makers, especially the hard drive ones, have not learned their lesson from last years flooding, this could be one more back-to-back tragedy.

So, if you are thinking seriously of another HHD, its time to get them now, just in case.
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