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Does Aldi Irradiate it's fresh meat?
#21
Here's another update on Aldi and their ground beef.

I keep a lot of things in my refrigerator, and sometimes I overlook a few things that eventually need getting rid of. But in the case of Aldi's ground beef, I rarely use beef any longer. Quite frankly, I just don't care for beef any longer. I hate all the water soluble fat that always gets on my hand, and between my fingers, when ever I am working with beef, especially ground beef. So I now buy hams, or pork loins, and use my Kitchen Aid to grind up the cheap meat into ground meat. Mostly I now use hams, because at Aldis, they tend to run at just over a dollar a pound, or up to $149 for spiral sliced ones. And being cooked, they are easy to grind. It works great in stews, spaghetti sauce, or chilis. And its really cheap, compared to what beef costs now days in our ever inflating money situation.

Also, I save some of the black plastic containers from the old ground beef I purchased earlier, and use them for keeping my ground ham in two or more containers. Then as I need it, I use it for all the stews, chilis, and other sauces. But somehow, I had completely overlooked this one ground beef container, and it got pushed to the back of the refrigerator.

Well, today I was going through the fridge and getting ready to make a large batch of chili. And back in the back was this ground beef. I looked at the "sell by" date, and it read "9-25-2012". Huum, I thought. Should I throw it out, or check to see if my theory concerning Aldi has real merit.

So, I slit the plastic top and smelled the ground beef. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Amazing. Here it was almost three months after the "Sell By" date, and the ground beef was perfectly good. Granted around the edges the beef had a slightly browning tone, but over all, the entire brick was still quite pink. On the ends, some of the meat had the water logged look that you tend to find with old ground beef, but not much at all. Charlie is now my best friend again, for the nest fifteen minutes, because he talked me into giving it to him for lunch.

So, with a batch of ground beef being three months out of date, and still being fresh, I still say something over and above things is going on here. I have no doubt Aldi uses pure nitrogen when they seal the containers. But I also am convinced that they irradiate the beef with that evil radiation. How else can ground beef last this long and still be semi-fresh?

The last time I asked an employee at Aldi, she was a little reluctant to answer my questions, when I followed up on my original inquiry. Its was almost as thought the higher ups had expressly told her to drop the issue, and not admit to anything. And I cannot blame them, because if this actually got out, the Eco-Wacko Anti-Nukes Crowd would be raising holy hell.

But for ground beef, which is the easiest to become contaminated, that remains semi-fresh after all this time, it just has to have gone under the irradiation machine. There is simply no other way I can explain its extra, extra, long viability.

So, if you are interested in getting the safest meats, for the money, Aldi is the store to go to. Not only do they have the best prices in high volume foods, but their meats, especially ground beef, is without a peer IMO. If you don't have to worry about food contamination, that's a major reason to go with them.

Three months,.....wow! Perhaps I should try another one and see what it is like at six months beyond the "Sell by" date, just to see if it can make it.
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#22
They have one now at Cedar Bluff, so we'll probably start shopping there. Saves about 30% on food costs is a guess. I did a little research and it appears they can zap meat with various rad energy, so I bet Aldi does.

It's a great way to avoid spoilage and chemicals.
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#23
My biggest complaint against Aldi is the way they abuse their produce. The stuff gets thrown around, and packed so tightly, they wind up bruised or torn. I'm a big Roma tomato person, and their packs get stacked in boxes in such a manner that they are not nearly as fresh as at Kroger. I have to choose my produce carefully, because if not some of the produce will wind up having to be chucked out because of the abuse.
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#24
(12-22-2012, 03:12 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: ...pork was condemned by God as an "unclean" meat not fit for human consumption, in Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8.
All of those proscriptions were copied in whole from earlier religions and reflect the simple truths of the times via testing and discovery. Pork has parasites that are 100% transferable to humans, while the other meats don't. They were a good laundry list of ways to live that wouldn't kill you. It has only been in modern times that we learned that proper cooking completely solves that problem. In many ways the porcine are far closer to human than other species. Even ape parasites don't transfer as readily.

If we had irradiation in olden times, pork would never have been proscribed.
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#25
William,

My brother said that once, but, I've never seen evidence of it. Can you provide any?
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(12-23-2012, 09:49 AM)Palladin Wrote: William,

My brother said that once, but, I've never seen evidence of it. Can you provide any?

Patrick, you can read some of the links found right here. And Trichinosis is the main culprit, which is explained at the topmost link. But pork is not the only one. Wild game, or rodents, amongst others, also carry this parasite.

Pigs are guilty, via association, because they are a main food source, AND they are omnivourous. This means their diets include all sorts of things that could allow them to contract these things. Free range chickens and turkeys are also capable of picking up critters, because they will also eat almost anything. Cattle, sheep, etc, are herbivores, and don't readily indulge in this type of behaviour.

But keep in mind that trichinosis, et al, can be killed by heat, or proper cooking techniques.

Of course, if you don't choose to eat, you won't have to worry about it. But you will have other issues to worry about............................... S5
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#27
There are at least three separate parasites that can transfer to anyone eating pork. Leviticus prohibited pork because there were no thermometers nor clocks to guarantee high heat for a long enough time to make pork safe. Back then, they were still eating the killing glands of puffer fish, and heating food was only for taste - not for health. I give the first person to eat Lobster or crayfish a lot of credit... and how did a person with a headache learn that chewing willow bark would help? Nowadays we have more safeguards. Leviticus also ordered - did not suggest - that homosexuals should be stoned to death. It seems the Sermon on the Mount was the single moment when Christianity broke from Judaism, and common sense was allowed to replace outdated certitude that was wrong. Nowadays we have more safeguards against infected pork than just cooking.

Rev. sci. tech. Off. int. Epiz., 1997,16 (2), 496-506 Wrote:Treatment of T. gondii tissue cysts with 40-50 kilorad of cesium-137 has been shown to render the cysts non-infective. These results suggest that Toxoplasma is somewhat less radio-sensitive than Trichinella. Other workers have conducted studies which suggest that some isolates of Toxoplasma require even higher levels of radiation (60-70 kilorad) to ensure inactivation.

I'm pretty sure Zoroastrianism didn't irradiate food.
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#28
John,

I was asking William to substantiate this comment of his:

"All of those proscriptions were copied in whole from earlier religions" relating to the Levitical dietary laws.

My brother said that to me years ago, but, like William, was just talking out his as.s and couldn't substantiate it because it's a lie.

I'll hold my breathe waiting on William to substantiate his assertions and do expect a lecture w/o any evidence, something like,"everyone knows this".


William also continues to repeat a false view about another issue in the Levitical code relating to homosexuals. He has repeatedly stated "homosexuals were ordered to be executed".

ALL Jews who chose to live inside Israel( millions did not) and had sex outside of marriage were to be executed upon conviction of 2 or 3 witnesses, gay or straight. Being homo or straight wasn't the issue that William posits, screwing other people outside of marriage was. Whether it was gay or straight.

William misses that nuance and hasn't the first clue why that's so important. Most don't, but, most don't place themselves in a position of being a judge like William does w/o knowledge enough to debate an infant.
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#29
(12-23-2012, 11:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

I was asking William to substantiate this comment of his:

"All of those proscriptions were copied in whole from earlier religions" relating to the Levitical dietary laws.

My brother said that to me years ago, but, like William, was just talking out his as.s and couldn't substantiate it because it's a lie.

I'll hold my breathe waiting on William to substantiate his assertions and do expect a lecture w/o any evidence, something like,"everyone knows this".


William also continues to repeat a false view about another issue in the Levitical code relating to homosexuals. He has repeatedly stated "homosexuals were ordered to be executed".

ALL Jews who chose to live inside Israel( millions did not) and had sex outside of marriage were to be executed upon conviction of 2 or 3 witnesses, gay or straight. Being homo or straight wasn't the issue that William posits, screwing other people outside of marriage was. Whether it was gay or straight.

William misses that nuance and hasn't the first clue why that's so important. Most don't, but, most don't place themselves in a position of being a judge like William does w/o knowledge enough to debate an infant.

Bingo! Your idea about the central ideal of marriage being a holy covenant, above all else is what I was taught from Day One. It supersedes practically everything, because that is the holy way to pass on your genes to the next generation. This mating ritual is what has made us successful above all other creatures, because one partner offers the child/children nurturing, and the other offers protection. And any other means of sex, be it hetrosexual, homosexual, or whatever form, it is not conducive to the success of the Chosen Ones.

And the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah is the perfect cautionary tale. The scriptures not only talk about homosexuals, but all other forms of perversion in the same breath. Its all verboten according to the bible. And the reasons are practical at its root, and used to convey a moral theme as well.

Having sex with your mate is the ultimate expression of love, when given with love. No other form even comes up to this. And practicing with another man, goat, or even strange woman, is not part of this loving commitment.

Sorry for running my mouth, but you are correct in your assessment to the best of my learning.

-Concerning Bill, whereas you and I tend to go the shortest route from curiosity to truth, he likes to take a more round about trip, injecting little tidbits he read from other venues. I do too, but perhaps it is where these pronouncements originate that makes things different.

His pronouncement that "Pork has parasites that are 100% transferable to humans, while the other meats don't," is indeed a stretch.

After going back and reading the comment, " In many ways the porcine are far closer to human than other species. Even ape parasites don't transfer as readily." I was intrigued by his use of porcine, which really means more than just pigs.* If that was what he really meant, there is more than a grain of truth, from a figurative point, but not biological though.

The point is that while humans may descriptively emulate pigs in certain actions, biologically they are quite different. Pig's(Suina) closest relatives are camels(Tylopoda), and hippos(Cetruminantia). All are of the Order Artiodactyla(even-toed ungulates). Last I looked, we are odd-numbered in our toes/digits. One has to travel back upward, through "Suborder", "Infraclass", and to "Class" before we reach a common divergence, which is the Class "Mammalia". And that is quite removed from we of the "Genus" Homo.

And again he appears to misuse the word "ape", when he probably meant "monkeys". Apes, such as chimps, bonobos, and gorillas, are our closest living biological relative, but of such small populations that we have very little documentation of contamination through eating them. Or very little. Monkeys are very abundant and we have more evidence here. But they are still closer related to us than pigs. Its just a FACT that, with rare exceptions*, we don't eat monkeys, or apes, and we consume huge quantities of pork.







*por·cine
/ˈpôrˌsīn/AdjectiveOf, affecting, or resembling a pig or pigs.

Synonyms:hoggish - swinish - piggish - porky

* There are cases in equatorial Congo regions where natives will eat monkeys and apes. And there have been reported some strange things that have been contracted. I have read about several, so Bill's claim that pigs are easier to have microbes jump species does not pass the smell test. It is just that we eat far more pork than monkeys, or even apes, and it is only natural that pathogens would be noticed with the pork.

But what do I know. I'm just a trained Physical Anthropologist. S5
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#30
The Suidae are indeed very close to humans in many chemistry particulars. "Long-pork" is the term for human tissue for a reason. Look up what parasites are normal to each, and you'll see a pattern. The proof in the pudding, of course, is the old wives' tale, itself. The idea that eating pork is harmful was known across most early cultures because it was a noticeable occurrence.

There are other similarities, of course: hair vs. fur; three-rooted teeth vs. only two roots; positions and locations of organs, and the embryonic stages of each and the early vs. later point where variegation appears. In soft sciences, it may surprise you to think how Suidae are routinely used in behavioral research because their reactions are closer to human than most other species. Think greed and gluttony as an example.

By the way John, I did not say "pigs are easier to have microbes jump species." I said, parasites - because I know Ascaris suum, Trichuris suis, and Oesophagostomum sp., are common, as well as Helminths, which are less well known. We're talking larvae and worms - not bacteria. We know things like salmonella and botulism are easily transmitted with little regard to where it comes from. People in Sumeria knew when someone contracted worms - bacteria and virus were inflictions from the gods.
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#31
Alright Bill, I stand corrected on my slip above. However, I stand by my point that we have so much cross species pollution with pigs because we are around them so much, and consume them to a great extent. We don't do that with other critters, except herbivores, or birds, which tend to have entirely different sets of parasites.
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#32
The only point I was making is that in pre-Biblical times, mankind avoided pork as a taboo, because of its known effects. The knowledge of "bad food" predated Leviticus. Learning that cooking at a certain temperature and length of time mitigates those bad effects is a recent occurrence. Pateurization is a similar later-day triumph of knowledge.
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#33
We have a thread here that started out with Aldi using an interesting method of food preservation that has morphed into a thread that is now religious in nature, with the subject being the age of the Earth, and its creation.

I know thread drift happens on internet forums. It is a law of the internet itself, but this fucker has set sail for the new world.

Also, the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. There can be no disputing this. I am studying to be a scientist, I have held and examined things that are nothing but what they are, and they range from millions to billions of years old.

I don't see the problem with irradiating the food if it gives it longer shelf life. The only problem with the process is the hype and fear the name of such a process will inspire in the minds of the public (morons). Scary radiation! Not in my backyard grocery store!

Also remember that a lot of "sell-by" dates are largely lawyer inspired to prevent lawsuits by people, who, as an example, leave their milk in the fridge unopened for months at a time, then take a drink out of it, get sick, and sue someone else for their stupidity.
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#34
Oh Lord, I've watched this thread slowly go from something interesting, about Aldi's way of keeping its meats from spoiling, and slowly sink into another, that's right one more, diatribe about the earth only being about twelve thousand year old.

I don't mind using biblical references in a general sense, because there really is a historical reference to how humans came to deal with foods, and health issues. But this is no place to get into this constant drip-drip-drip of biblical quotes and what the bible is supposed to have said about how old the planet happens to be.

In fact, I'm going to start a "Catch-All" thread, where all this "Old, New, Old, New" debate can be thrown into one place.
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#35
Yea, indeed, John. We're supposed to be professionals here.S6
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