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Are We Headed Into Another Little Ice Age?
#81
Here is something else I meant to post on, but wound up out of town. This article by Anthony Watts, discusses the strange behaviour of the sun. While the number of sunspots have been going up dramatically in the last few months, and radio flux is also keeping pace with the former. Here is the latest charts showing the sudden jump.

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This is exactly what one would expect with a solar sunspot cycle ramping up, as they normally do. But something else, which is very strange and unusual, is that the third indicator, the Electromagnetic AP Index, is dropping through the floor, when it too should be shooting up. Here is the chart:

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This is what is driving dedicated solar scientists bonkers, because it shouldn't be doing this. And it is precisely why so many of them are now forecasting another Maunder Minimum event coming ahead.

I've forgotten which study I read, but two of these solar scientists are speculating that the seventh century report of no sunspots during that century, just may have been wrong. Remember the telescope was brand new then, and quite primitive. Without a high electromagnetic index, the sunspots back then may have been so weak as to not be seen by those early telescopes.

And the point is that numbers and flux are nice, but if they aren't really doing anything of significance, they really aren't much at all. And that is precisely what is going on right now. And without all this electromagnetic plasma moving outward and fortifying this planet, cosmic rays are going to come right in and not be deflected back into space. And that will mean more cloud formation, with more sun's rays being deflected back into space, and the planet cooling down further. And presto!, another little ice age.

I noticed Tommy commenting on this article by Watts, so he is aware of what is going on here. Personally I think this is significant.

And here is the solar activity index, on a day by day basis. Today, 12-10-2011, solar status is 'active', but geomagnetic conditions are 'quiet'.

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This is very strange, just when SS cycle 24 is supposed to be approaching its most active status, its not following the current rules. Also, when the electromagnetic index drops below a certain point, the sunspots will not be visible.
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#82
The solar AP index has wide ranging spikes and falls. I would not put too much credence in the recent fall.
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#83
I think I will keep my eye on it.
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#84
It looks like the 'so called' Experts are really confused now: Carbon emissions 'will defer Ice Age'
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(01-09-2012, 03:38 PM)John L Wrote: It looks like the 'so called' Experts are really confused now: Carbon emissions 'will defer Ice Age'

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Their desperation is vivid.

By their own words.CO2 is a negligible warm forcing gas.Follows a mathematical logarithmic curve.

LINK

This is not disputed by warmist scientists.

It the POSITIVE feedback angle they try so hard to find.That makes the big warming to happen.But unfortunately.It is based on models.There is no evidence of any empirically based data supporting the strong positive feed back angle.

There are a number peer reviewed papers attesting the existence of NEGATIVE feed backs.Based on actual data too.

There is no escaping it.We are in what is called Climate Autumn in the interglacial period.This means the next climate season is the GLACIAL period.

Here in this link at my forum is a post you should consider on buying the e-book.That explains what is going on the Holocene cycle.He explains why we have the glacial and interglacial cycles.Why they vary from one epoch to another.He also talks about where we are in this interglacial.

It is quite readable.

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The THREAD itself is about the cooling of the Atlantic Ocean for the last 1,000 years.The cooling is ongoing and we will be in serious trouble in the years ahead.


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#86
You can get his ebook at Barnes & Noble, in 'epub' format as well. That way you don't have to go through the contortions of changing from the 'mobi' format.
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(01-10-2012, 12:18 AM)John L Wrote: You can get his ebook at Barnes & Noble, in 'epub' format as well. That way you don't have to go through the contortions of changing from the 'mobi' format.

But you have to use the NOOK to get it.

Why not just use cloud reader on your PC and pay only $5.99 total?

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Transfer via Computer

There are 6 book reviews available to read.Mine will be there soon.

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or,

$6.49 and use Adobe Digital Edition.Download the free software.Then buy the e-book.

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Who says........................? My ebook reader recognizes 'epub' just like most other ebook readers. Of course the almighty Kindle doesn't read the other, but that's their problem. Both 'epub' and 'pdf' formats are the most universal formats out there.

In fact you can get an add on app for your Firefox and read 'epub' on Firefox. If you don't have that app, where have you been Tommy?
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(01-10-2012, 12:41 AM)John L Wrote: Who says........................? My ebook reader recognizes 'epub' just like most other ebook readers. Of course the almighty Kindle doesn't read the other, but that's their problem. Both 'epub' and 'pdf' formats are the most universal formats out there.

In fact you can get an add on app for your Firefox and read 'epub' on Firefox. If you don't have that app, where have you been Tommy?

Gosh JL.

Not once did I disputed the existence of epub.Or that you should not use it.

I chose Amazon.Because I use Kindle reader.That is why I use Amazon.

Since Kindle is better than Nook.I chose Amazon.Despite their format is limited to Amazon only.With a few million books to chose from.I think I will be satisfied.

I knew that before buying the Kindle.

What you fail to understand is.That e-books are not going to be made available in ALL of the formats out there.Not right away anyway.

John's e-book was originally set up for Adobe.Then for Cloud Reader.And then into Print and PDF TWO months later.

Cloud Reader is better than PDF anyway.I can buy books and add it to Cloud Reader.Then download what I want from there into the Kindle.

Why are we babbling over formats?








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I'm sorry. I'm just in a foul mood over the Ron Paul issue, and I thought you were trying to push the Kindle format over all else. I'll get over it all with a good night's sleep.
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#91
You're having another winter which is far too warm, and all over Europe, snow arrived in the mountains only this week, 3 months delayed. Nonetheless, you're keeping this nonsense up. What purpose does it serve?
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(01-13-2012, 12:07 AM)quadrat Wrote: You're having another winter which is far too warm, and all over Europe, snow arrived in the mountains only this week, 3 months delayed. Nonetheless, you're keeping this nonsense up. What purpose does it serve?

Welcome back!

The Arctic Oscillation index has been running strongly positive for several months.That is what keeps the cold air confined to the north.The polar jet stream is circular.

Alaska is getting record cold and snow this winter.

When it trends to the neutral and negative.The cold and snow goes much farther south.The jet stream then dips to the south.

Just like the previous two winters.

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Hey Quadrat - good to see you back, ornery as ever.
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#94
No warming trend in 15 years?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...z1ktghEAPl
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#95
I am very glad that NASA and other Univ. findings are making their way around the net. Otherwise, no one would have heard of them...I think they missed a couple of memos somewhere, and accidentally presented all this.
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#96
About that title, "Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)", one thing is overlooked. In 1831 the old London Bridge was demolished and a new one built. The old bridge had many pillars and obstructions that allowed ice blocks to become jammed, resulting in the river easily freezing over. The newer bridge took this into account and is much more difficult for the slow moving river to become jammed so easily. Even the river banks were terraced and reworked to prevent ice from becoming stuck so easily.

Consequently another Little Ice Age will not be causing all those Frost Fairs like of old. But its nice to see that more experts are beginning to see the light.
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#97
Why don't you expand your old "no sunspots far and wide"- threads anymore? Does it have to do with the fact that solar activity is at it's max for the last six years, and how does this fit to the propositions of Palladin's article? Why would the Arctic melt each summer to levels never seen in the nineties and earlier, if it wasn't warmer than 15 years ago?
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#98
Just see you did earlier in this thread. My bad.
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(01-30-2012, 12:21 AM)quadrat Wrote: Why don't you expand your old "no sunspots far and wide"- threads anymore? Does it have to do with the fact that solar activity is at it's max for the last six years, and how does this fit to the propositions of Palladin's article? Why would the Arctic melt each summer to levels never seen in the nineties and earlier, if it wasn't warmer than 15 years ago?

No, not at all. If you would take the time to read some of my posts on my vintage tube gear, you would see that I am spending most of my spare time reading up on that field and getting prepared to make my first tube('valve' to the Euros) amplifier.

I still partially keep up with the sun, by visiting Spaceweather.com and reading at the Anthony Watts site. But there is not an awful lot new going on, except the sunspot is doing its usual thing, during the first half of the cycle.

Of course Seattle just got two feet of snow.

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(01-30-2012, 12:22 AM)quadrat Wrote: Just see you did earlier in this thread. My bad.

That's what happens when you fall off the map for months. You had us worried that you were either in jail, or dead.

However, let me bring up a paragraph, from the article in the Daily Mail.

Quote:We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

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Using the Livingston and Penn Solar Cycle 25 amplitude estimate, this is what the solar cycle record is projected to look like:

Now the scientific community is running around, in ever shortening circles, wringing hands and gnashing teeth about the coming solar minimum and what that means(cooling). AGW true believers are abandoning the theory in growing numbers, and soon only James Hansen, Algore, and a few more diehards will be all left standing.

But there is something even more troubling, which is not noticeable to the untrained eye, and conveniently overlooked by the AGW community and the Whore Media. What I am talking about is the Ap geomagnetic index. While sunspot numbers and their 'flux' rate have gone up, the Ap index has gone down, meaning that most of the sunspots are much less significant.

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During the Maunder Minimum sunspots were practically nonexistent, according to accounts. But that doesn't mean there weren't more sunspots. At that time the telescope was either not invented, or it was not yet being used properly, so any sunspot that was not severe enough may not have been registered. The human eye can only observe so much unaided.

So if the Ap Index tanks, as the chart above shows, we could be in Deep Shit soon. And by DS I mean extended winters, cooler average temperatures, and shorter growing seasons. And one thing that is pretty much a given is that a cooler planet means a dryer planet, due to less evaporation. The result will certainly mean less food for feeding the billions of inhabitants. In other words, the real threat is starvation, not a rise in sea level.

So get ready, if all indications are right, we are headed for a major cooling trend: think little ice age.

And don't forget: we are at the end of the Holocene and slowly sliding back into next round of the Pleistocene. Brrrrrrrrrr

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