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Obama Reduced Governement Size by 1/2 Million
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PAUL WISEMAN, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Wrote:This time is different. More than 467,000 state and local government jobs have vanished since the recession officially ended in June 2009, including 188,000 in schools.
You can argue that it's not Obama who did it, that it's local (not Federal), that the thread header is biaised... anyway,... the article is interresting.
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Well in fact Obama did reduced the governement workforce by more than 1/2 a million. And it's only the begining.

Tami Luhby @CNNMoney June 6, 2011 Wrote:In May, public employment shrunk by 29,000 jobs, mostly at the state and local level, while businesses created 83,000 jobs, the Labor Department reported Friday. All told, the sector has lost 510,000 positions since its peak in August 2008.
Note that Obama cut public jobs while his policy adds jobs to the private businesses.
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#3
And a Partridge Innnnnnnnn A Pear Tree.

Actually, he has not done any of this.


However, if the states are dropping all these public sector jobs, then the Boy Wonder is going to have to create another major stimulus in order to buttress up more union jobs, which will equate out into more money returning to the Jackasses. hey, remember, the more the unions take in, in dues, the more they will be willing to funnel to the Jackasses.

THIS is the the real story Fred. Can the Dumbasses halt this? I cannot tell, even if they are willing to do it. After all, a Dumbass is,.........well, a Dumbass.
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The jobs are gone because the states are starved for revenue due to the terrible US economy. We can't print money and we don't have e-credit like the Fed at the state level.

Is that Obama's fault? Not so much. Some, not a lot. He's screwed up, but, the economy died with the banking and real estate crisis and hasn't resurrected yet.

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(06-07-2011, 09:17 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: Well in fact Obama did reduced the governement workforce by more than 1/2 a million. And it's only the begining.

Tami Luhby @CNNMoney June 6, 2011 Wrote:In May, public employment shrunk by 29,000 jobs, mostly at the state and local level, while businesses created 83,000 jobs, the Labor Department reported Friday. All told, the sector has lost 510,000 positions since its peak in August 2008.
Note that Obama cut public jobs while his policy adds jobs to the private businesses.

The "stimulus" bill sent money to the states mostly, so that they did not have to lay off workers for a couple of years. Now, that money is used up, and states must balance their budgets, so they fire (as well as put pressure on gummint unions to pick up some of their benefits payments).

Now, it is time for BHO to step up to the plate and pull a similar trick with federal workers. But it is probably too late for that.

Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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Eliminating public sector jobs during a recession is counter-productive, as it will only escalate unemployment. If anything, the civil service should be supported and expanded, not threatened with cuts. This is simply not conducive to a recovery.

John will respond by saying that we cannot "spend our way into prosperity", yet if the post-war years are any indication, middle class growth and maintenance depends on public spending.
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(06-11-2011, 02:49 PM)Gommi Wrote: Eliminating public sector jobs during a recession is counter-productive, as it will only escalate unemployment. If anything, the civil service should be supported and expanded, not threatened with cuts. This is simply not conducive to a recovery.

Gommi, the problem here is that you continue to spout that Keynesian Mumbo-Jumbo. Any job, which doesn't produce wealth within an economy, is just a job. And it does not help create more wealth. In other words, its a "drone" job.

You see, you are fixated on the caboose of the train, and not the engine. It is the engine which creates power for that train and gets the caboose(jobs) to its destination. You have this fixation on jobs, as if everything depends on that. It doesn't. Job creation is a "EFFECT", not a "CAUSE" of increased productivity. And that is why Keynesian economics is a False G-d, is already dead on it's feet, but will just not lie down yet.

But don't worry, it's time is coming, just as the wounded deer finally bleeds out and drops in its tracks. It's coming, so you had better not be caught worshiping at its alter. I would point you to some more articles about this, but you wouldn't read them anyway. It would shake your religious belief in Collectivism.

Gommi, recognizing the import of John's point, Wrote:John will respond by saying that we cannot "spend our way into prosperity", yet if the post-war years are any indication, middle class growth and maintenance depends on public spending.

Gommi, deficit spending is still deficit spending. If the deficit is not eliminated, eventually all the chickens are going to come home to roost. Count on it. In fact, all this deficit spending has finally just about reached its dead end. Sooner or later, the bill must be paid.

And remember this, if you don't remember anything else. I always think "Strategically". Your mentioning post WWII is thinking "Tactically". Granted, the economy was big enough to absorb deficit spending, but it had to be paid back, or................................

Again, I'm telling you, you are following a False G-d in this Keynesian fantasy tale. If you don't give it up, you are going to see the result played out to the point where even the most die-hard Collectivist will have to finally admit the fact.

But I don't want to force you to drink from the water. I'll just bring you to it. The rest is up to you. If you are determined to believe all this Collectivist/Statist Mumbo Jumbo, help yourself. When it finally dawns on you, I want you to have the intellectual honesty to credit me for being the one who was right all along, ok?

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#8
According to Germany and Canada, Gommi is wrong. What we need now is not pseudo demand stimulation, we need business confidence restored. Can't do that with new debt creation, have to get your house in order.
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#9
In may 54,000 new jobs were created while the public sector fired a great number of workers (30,000 or 80,000 - I don't remeber). I mean the public sector added more jobs than the states eliminated.
That means that for the moment the public sector is the only driver of the US economy.
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Gommi said:
"Eliminating public sector jobs during a recession is counter-productive, as it will only escalate unemployment. If anything, the civil service should be supported and expanded, not threatened with cuts. This is simply not conducive to a recovery."

If civil service jobs would save the economy, we could simply hire all the unemployed as "public servants", and presto, all would be well, an instant enlargement of the middle class would occur.

One problem with that is that taxes have to be raised (at the state level) from the productive citizens to pay for the new civil servants (and their lush benefits.) That dampens the rest of the economy.

BHO et al tried saving gummint jobs at the state level in his first stimulus. It worked (for saving state "public service" jobs), until the stimulus money to the states ran out and the states had to face fiscal reality. The federal gummint borrowing and spending created a strong backlash, as you are well aware, so that avenue seems closed.

Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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