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#61
(05-05-2016, 05:35 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
JL Wrote:I noticed this from the first season, before becoming bored. I assume it hasn't changed one bit.
I got bored after one episode. I can't stand this fake middle-age thing.

I didn't watch the entire first season either.  The only thing that kept me was Sean Bean.  Once he was killed off, my interest also got killed off. S18

Besides, it was a fantasy, and I had to push myself. It it wasn't for Bean, I would never have even watched the first episode. I once read a fantasy book, a long, long time ago, but I can't remember just when. S13
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#62
Everyone I know who watches GoT loves Arya, Daenarys. Tyrion, Sam Tarly, and Brienne of Tarth. Bran and Jon are well-liked as well - especially with their dire wolves. The big question is who will get to ride the Dragons? Only one I can't see riding a dragon is Hodar.
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(05-06-2016, 06:52 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Everyone I know who watches GoT loves Arya, Daenarys. Tyrion, Sam Tarly, and  Brienne of Tarth. Bran and Jon are well-liked as well - especially with their dire wolves. The big question is who will get to ride the Dragons? Only one I can't see riding a dragon is Hodar.

I believe you and Ron are the only two I know, who watch GoT.   I could be wrong, of course.  

I'm sure R.R.Martin is happy as he watches his bank account get larger.   S6

And speaking of great writers, I'm think I'm going to go through F. Paul Wilson.  I have read about three "Repairman Jack" novels, but there are already fifteen of them.   His style is a huge plus.    The only problem is that they take place in that horrible den of iniquity, Yew Yawk.  S18

Have you read any of his material?
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#64
F. Paul Wilson is an author that I always watch out for--all his books are engrossing. He has some very conservative, libertarian ideals, especially where finances and economics are concerned. Repairman Jack is a very popular character, someone we always like to cheer on as he visits justice on bullies and other bad guys who victimize the innocent.
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#65
What I don't like about GoT is the cynicism of the worldview. Every time someone is established as a real hero, he (or she) gets killed off. Who would want to live in such a world? Who cares who gets to sit on the iron throne? Why haven't the White Walkers (or whatever they are called) conquered the whole world already, since no one can resist them, and anyone they kill becomes a zombie in their thrall?
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#66
(05-07-2016, 08:43 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: F. Paul Wilson is an author that I always watch out for--all his books are engrossing. He has some very conservative, libertarian ideals, especially where finances and economics are concerned. Repairman Jack is a very popular character, someone we always like to cheer on as he visits justice on bullies and other bad guys who victimize the innocent.

You know Ron, now that I have had a chance to reflect a bit more on the Repairman Jack role and New Yawk as a setting, its actually the perfect place to wade in on all the crime and low life Denizens of the Dark. Spiteful

And he is certainly the darling of the Libertarian/C.Liberal universe. I was reading about all of the special awards he has won, while going through a quick checkup earlier. Obviously we need more writers like that in this day and age. S22
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(05-06-2016, 06:52 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Everyone I know who watches GoT loves Arya, Daenarys. Tyrion, Sam Tarly, and  Brienne of Tarth. Bran and Jon are well-liked as well - especially with their dire wolves. The big question is who will get to ride the Dragons? Only one I can't see riding a dragon is Hodar.

Daenarys, being the "Mother of Dragons," is certainly unique, and strikingly pretty with that silver-blond wig, but I don't think she is so great, after being stupid enough to banish the one man who truly loved her.

Some fan sites speculate that Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow may actually have had a Targaryen for a father, so may be eligible to ride a dragon at some point. In the case of Tyrion, it would explain why Lord Tywin Lannister was so contemptuous towards Tyrion, aside from his being a dwarf.

My favorite character is Arya Stark (played by Maisie Williams), though I am not so fond of the current shtick where she has been programmed to call herself "No One."

Arya Stark (Maisie Williams):


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I also like Brienne of Tarth (played by Gwendoline Christie). She looks a lot more feminine dressed up:


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But despite the memorable characters, I still think the series is depressingly cynical, and the occasional nudity is superfluous and exploitative.
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(05-14-2016, 02:05 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: ...Some fan sites speculate that Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow may actually have had a Targaryen for a father, so may be eligible to ride a dragon at some point. In the case of Tyrion, it would explain why Lord Tywin Lannister was so contemptuous towards Tyrion, aside from his being a dwarf.

My favorite character is Arya Stark (played by Maisie Williams), though I am not so fond of the current shtick where she has been programmed to call herself "No One."

I also like Brienne of Tarth (played by Gwendoline Christie). She looks a lot more feminine dressed up:

Tyrion maybe, but John Snow's parents were pretty well documented in the first six books. The main ingredient for dragon riding isn't being a Targaryen, but being a Warg, doncha think? Targaryens could ride Dragons because of the wargishness in the family.

The current events of Arya being "nobody" is also well documented in existing books. R.R. Martin has moved much of the novels' content around, and she has already moved from that in the books. Remember, all the Starks were Wargs, which is why I think Bran may get his wish to fly.

As for the Bear, Mysha banned him for lying to her. Very queenly. She has already accepted him back, but with reservations. He earned his way back by going through the sewers to bring down the Masters.

I'm sure Martin has some twists up his sleeve.
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Khuu! Khuu!: Game Of Thrones In A Single Cartoon Image

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#70
I merged this latest set of GOT posts into the original thread.  Sorry for the possible confusion. S22
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#71
I never read the books. Didn't seem like a story I wanted to invest that much time into. The TV series is somewhat interesting, but not enough to record. I will never buy the DVDs.

I noticed a few weeks ago that Emelia Clarke (who plays Daenerys) said in an interview that she objects to the way the series has recourse to nudity, which is cheapening to women. Then in Sunday's episode, there she was nude again. I suppose it was logical, since all her clothes would have burned off. But exactly why is she fire-proof? How could that work? Some sort of innate magic?

That cartoon gives a great portrayal of George R.R. Martin. Actually looks a lot like him. Good critique of his plotting, as well. He may have won a lot of awards, but he is not a good example to the human race, in my opinion. At least Tolkien believed in Good, and that Good should ultimately triumph over "disgusting". GoT could be taken as cautionary--this is what a world would be like without a Personal, Creator God who cares about His creatures, but instead seems to be populated by a multitude of pagan-type gods, which may or may not exist.
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#72
Like I mentioned earlier, when he killed off the Sean Bean character, he lost me completely.   Bean is a superb actor, even as a bad guy.    

Have you ever used a rock on a tick that has been gorging on your pet?  I'll bet Mr. Martin would follow the same splatter pattern.   S13
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#73
George R.R. Martin is a good writer, and his basic story line is intriguing. It is reminiscent of the McCaffery Pern novels, in which what appears to be pure fantasy becomes a logical Science Fiction story. The characters are everything. What made McCaffery so good was how the people in her books were worth investing time in, to see them develop. These are stories where one needs faith that what you are reading is turning into something special. It's also similar to Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren which only a few readers are capable of appreciating. Dhalgren doesn't even seem to have a plot until over 300 pages into it - then things start falling together, and you kick yourself for not picking up on what was there all the time.

The Game of Thrones is based in a place where some magic seems to work, and the basic physical laws of the universe work as well, with some unexplained lapses. In this place, there are regular years, but seasons don't seem to coordinate with them. Winters are brutal and may be several years long, and when they come is unpredictable. There are several differing versions of Gods, and they all seem to tap into something that bring results to the common man.

I'm sticking in, trying to predict where Martin is taking the story. I'm losing the hope that there is some planet-wide computer system that regulates the weather and controls things, like reviving our heroes from death. (You know, like In Star Trek Plato's Stepchildren, when aliens look like Gods from Mt. Olympus until the Enterprise discovers it is all the doings of a super computer.) So far, Beric Dondarrion, Catelyn Stark, and Jon Snow have returned after being killed, but others seem to be permanently gone. The clues that Martin pus out there are many and clear. Jon Snow was morally bound to the Night's Watch until his "Watch was ended." ...Then he was killed by his brothers of the Watch that named him Lord Commander, immediately releasing him from his pledge. The Stark children were all adopted by direwolves and bonded with them as skin changers, which makes them eligible to bond with dragons, neh? Tyrion, Sansa, Jon, Arya, and Bran have all grown in their roles. Rikkon is the only sibling that hasn't been explored yet.
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(05-16-2016, 05:03 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: I noticed a few weeks ago that Emelia Clarke (who plays Daenerys) said in an interview that she objects to the way the series has recourse to nudity, which is cheapening to women. Then in Sunday's episode, there she was nude again. I suppose it was logical, since all her clothes would have burned off. But exactly why is she fire-proof? How could that work? Some sort of innate magic?

I'm curious from the folks that have read the novel(s) if the character really had her clothes incinerated that often or if it's simply the screen writers taking liberties ... like the writer for Star Trek that confessed that he wrote the scene of Carol Marcus changing clothes aboard a shuttle just so he could see Alice Eve in a bra and panties.

As for "cheapening to women", the fact that the nudity was preceded by a strong female character managing use her mad/magic skill set to barbecue a bunch of misogynistic assholes who were standing in her way might seem a little bit contradictory.
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#75
It was probably just a good directorial decision. having her come out of a fire totally unburnt so that everyone could see she was undamaged is what made the Dothraki kneel to her. She came through the fire, where all their powerful and undefeated Khals didn't. They are very anti-magic, and condemned her for believing a sorceress which ultimately killed Khal Drogo and her baby. This showed successful magic that they had to accept as real, and moreover to accept her as greater than their Khals. Evidently being fire-proof runs in her family, and showed how her brother was not worthy. It also shows how only some people have mystical powers. Discovering who has come to grips with their powers is a main part of Martin's vision.

In the end, I think he needs a successful throne-sitter who will leave the show on an up-note.

I did find it interesting that this time, her hair didn't burn, like it did when she hatched her dragons. Maybe her powers are growing? We saw how Melisandre uses magic to have a beautiful body, when she is actually centuries old and looks it. Those who have the ability to wield power seem to come to it through faith and righteousness. Melisandre was shaken to her rooits to understand that her fire-visions may have shown Jon Snow as the worthy champion, rather than Stannis. In all things there is a basic "disgusting" that all others fight against. The First Children were defeated in pre-history, but their interventions seem to still happen. How the Mother of Dragons and her two riders (yet to be named) are developing seems to be Martin's focus.
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#76
Maybe the spaceship they landed on will be found by Bran in old Valyria?
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#77
Here's the explanation for all the killings.

George RR Martin: Game of Thrones characters die because 'it has to be done'
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(05-17-2016, 01:32 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Maybe the spaceship they landed on will be found by Bran in old Valyria?

Yes, obviously they are on some other planet. This is not even "Middle Earth." This is an alien world, where winters can be a decade long. There's no other explanation.

McCaffery in her Pern novels still showed a definite belief in Good vs. "disgusting", and always had Good ultimately triumph over "disgusting", even if that "disgusting" was just ignorance and prejudice, or some reoccurring natural disaster. I do not see in Martin's work any real conviction about Good overcoming "disgusting". Who cares who sits on the Iron Throne? I don't. Why should anyone?
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#79
Just wait and see.

In the meantime, I'll just wait to see what Martin does with Bran, Jon, and Arya.

BTW, Martin did cheat with Jon. He killed him, but brought him back.
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Emelia Clarke (who plays Daenerys on Game of Thrones) is scheduled to be on Steven Colbert's "The Late Show" which starts at 11:35 PM on Monday, May 23, and again on Seth Meyers' "Late Night" show the next night, which starts at 12:37 AM Tuesday night (actually Wednesday, May 24). I wonder what she will have to say.
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