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Learning More About Dinosaurs
#21
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:The only reason to clone an extinct animal is to demonstrate that we can, that is not a suitable justification to do so.

Mammoths are extinct, let them remain so, ditto other mega fauna.

That is where you and I part company Pepe. I think it would be grand, to be able to resurrect species that have become extinct. The Dodo, Carolina Parakeet, Tasmanian Tigre, Irish Elk, Great Awk, and others should be resurrected IMO.

Hey, this is going to occur, whether you, or I, like it or not. We just have to ensure we observe ethical application, before it is used for ill.
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#22
I wonder if mankind and these extinct groups could live together at this late date?

Isn't the reason some are dead is the growth of mankind?
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#23
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:Mammoths lived from around 4.8 million to about 4,500 years ago.
The great dinosaurs died out some 65 million years ago.
So yes they are separated by a great deal of time.

Regarding feathers, as John suggests, their most likely function was thermoregulation.
then we have to assume they were warm-blooded. looks like we got us a transitional species here. ron must love it.
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JL Wrote:For example, the first generation would be half mammoth, the second generation would be 3/4s mammoth, The third generation would be 7/8s mammoth. The fourth generation would be 14/16s, and the fifth generation would be 28/32s mammoth. This is the most practical approach.

But in the eventual future, I predict that this will become old hat, and true cloning will be possible.
Do you think the jews could do the same with themselves to replenish their population?

Mr LeTonk Wrote:The only reason to clone an extinct animal is to demonstrate that we can, that is not a suitable justification to do so.

Mammoths are extinct, let them remain so, ditto other mega fauna.
(now seriousely)I disagree. Studying a mammoth alive should be awesome.
It's also good for biodiversity, thought preserving existing species is still a challenge enough.

Palladin Wrote:I wonder if mankind and these extinct groups could live together at this late date?

Isn't the reason some are dead is the growth of mankind?
In some case it's proven, in other cases it's an hypothesis and in other cases it's imposible because these species disapeared well before man ruled the place.

One example is the north african lion who lived also in Mesopotamia. It was exctinct at the time of roman, I think. After several centuries of intensive hunting.
The King Hamurabbi was famous for hunting lions.

Bisons, both in north america and central europe almost disapeared because of humting or deforstation. Woves and bears the same but it's recent history.

In the stone age, the entire human population was between one and ten million worldwide. Too little to have a devastating impact.
The theory that Neanderthal was killed out by wars against Sapiens-Sapiens doesn't hold for the same reason.

For the Mammoth it's unkown. Humans could have participated in their extinction or accelerate it, but there were too few humans at that time to anihilate an entire species. It's also discuted whether humans hunted mammoths or not. Some believe they didn't because it was too dangerous.

Some type of mammoth, such as the hairless mammoth who live in north america, dispaeared well before the first human was born.

Most commonly accepted reason is climate change.

It would be interresting to see if mammoth could survive and multiply today, in Siberia or Alaska or somewhere...
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(04-27-2011, 08:16 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: In some case it's proven, in other cases it's an hypothesis and in other cases it's imposible because these species disapeared well before man ruled the place.

One example is the north african lion who lived also in Mesopotamia. It was exctinct at the time of roman, I think. After several centuries of intensive hunting.
The King Hamurabbi was famous for hunting lions.

Bisons, both in north america and central europe almost disapeared because of humting or deforstation. Woves and bears the same but it's recent history.

In the stone age, the entire human population was between one and ten million worldwide. Too little to have a devastating impact.
The theory that Neanderthal was killed out by wars against Sapiens-Sapiens doesn't hold for the same reason.

For the Mammoth it's unkown. Humans could have participated in their extinction or accelerate it, but there were too few humans at that time to anihilate an entire species. It's also discuted whether humans hunted mammoths or not. Some believe they didn't because it was too dangerous.

Some type of mammoth, such as the hairless mammoth who live in north america, dispaeared well before the first human was born.

Most commonly accepted reason is climate change.

It would be interresting to see if mammoth could survive and multiply today, in Siberia or Alaska or somewhere...
that was a meteor, lots of nanodiamonds which are only created by a meteor impact have been found in 12,900 years old glacier ice. ron should have a looks at this, glaciers have growth rings like trees, and in some of them on greenland, there are hundreds of thousands of them.
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(04-28-2011, 09:23 PM)quadrat Wrote: that was a meteor, lots of nanodiamonds which are only created by a meteor impact have been found in 12,900 years old glacier ice. ron should have a looks at this, glaciers have growth rings like trees, and in some of them on greenland, there are hundreds of thousands of them.

No "Q", it was a comet. Not a meteor, not an asteroid, or some other mother. It was a comet.

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It should be noted that several rows of subsequent mamal species have disapeared for various reasons (not only space-born projectiles) since the disparition of the dinausores.
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#28
Now this is interesting news.

Peer Reviewed paper
A Feathered Dinosaur Tail with Primitive Plumage Trapped in Mid-Cretaceous Amber

For the masses
First Dinosaur Tail Found Preserved in Amber

Bloody Feathered Dinosaur tail discovered trapped in amber


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#29
Well, Well, who says that birds aren't dinosaurs?  

Smuggled fossil 'very weird' new species of amphibious dinosaur, say experts

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Here's another link: Duck-Like Dinosaur Is Among Oddest Fossils Yet Found

This guy is really small, about the size of a turkey.   But just look at that "Raptor" claw on each foot.   Shock

Synchrotron sheds light on the amphibious lifestyle of a new raptorial dinosaur


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#30
I wonder what this is all about? And could it be possible? Shock

Mysterious dinosaur-like creature discovered with flesh still on its bones leaves scientists baffled.
The partially-preserved corpse was unearthed by an electrician cleaning out a sub-station left untouched for 35 years


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#31
Jack Horner discusses how to "Fix The Chicken" in this interesting TED presentation.

Building a dinosaur from a chicken


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#32
Very interesting John L.

So, the truth is we should be saying "tastes like dinosaur"?!

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#33
That's what I tell those around me, when I explain why I have quit eating beef and pork. And then I tell them that I have no second thoughts about eating dinosaurs all day long. They give me that question look, and then I explain to them that birds really are dinosaurs. S5
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(02-24-2018, 07:38 PM)JohnWho Wrote: Very interesting John LS5

Yes, it really is JW.  If you watch the entire Jack Horner video presentation, right at the twelve minute mark, he describes the use of Ativism Activation for resurrecting ancient traits.  Once we discover how to activate these traits, chicken can grow tails, teeth, and hands.  

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I shutter to think of all the possibilities here.  Shock

How To Hatch A Dinosaur
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Man, the more I study the latest findings of dinosaurs, especially from 2000 on, the more I realize just how screwed up the Jurassic Park series, by Steven Spielberg, has been.  And from what I can see of the next one coming to theaters this June, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, none of the dinosaurs in the movies look like the real thing.  Not a single critter has feathers.  Even the little dinosaur that is cuddled and petted, looks like a knockoff of T.Rex.   Everything looks like giant lizzards, when in fact, dinosaurs really looked like early birds.  The whole series is completely out of date, even the one not out yet.  

Here's what I mean.  I've been closely studying the smaller raptors, and how they are so birdlike that there is no question of what birds really are.  Even the fossil records clearly show them with feathers coming out of the 'Ying-Yang'.  

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And every raptor, from the smallest to the biggest, was covered in real feathers.  

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The interesting thing is that dinosaur fossils are being discovered in huge numbers, and especially in China, where the fine muddy silt was able to preserve the specimens very well.  

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The larger dinos are harder to come by because they tended to live on higher, and dryer, ground.  The smaller raptors lived more in marshy areas where smaller game would have been more plentiful.  When they died, they would be covered by very fine mud that tended to seal them in better than the dryer sandstone material.  

Some of the larger predators have been found with feather like material.  There was a large sample of a slightly older dinosaur, which is of the same family as T.Rex, and it had plumage, but I've forgotten where the site is right now. If I locate it again, I'll post it.

Clearly dinosaurs were not reptiles, but birds. And while I have given up eating beef and pork, I'll gladly eat dinosaurs any day. S22
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#36
Here's that article I was talking about.

Scientists Discover a Gigantic Feathered Tyrannosaur

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#37
Feathers are fun. And you just know the dinos must have tasted "just like chicken"!
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(03-05-2018, 12:20 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Feathers are fun. And you just know the dinos must have tasted "just like chicken"!

Which reminds me,....I need to go to the grocery store. And while I'm there, I'm going to pick up a couple of dinosaurs, bring them home, cut them up, and "Shake-N-Bake" those rascals. That will give me something to gnaw on all this week. S22

Raptor Claws Anyone? S13

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#39
I also found this about dinos and feathers.

Dinosaur blood, feathers discovered in amber from the Royal Sask. Museum

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Those look like pretty well developed feathers to me. S22
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Those feathers preserved in amber are a pretty telling evidence! I will never think of T Rex in quite the same way, again! But I still say T Rex could breathe fire using binary chemicals like some life forms still do today, and was the basis for the dragon legends, especially in medieval Europe, as attested to by a large amount of written eyewitness accounts, that most modern scientists arbitrarily choose to ignore. They must be getting really uneasy about their assumed chronology after the discovery of soft tissue in T Rex fossil bones in more and more places.
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