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Middle East Meltdown - 1
#61
Democracy in a state with extremely low levels of virtue receives a governing harvest of shi.t,which the same people will think is ice cream for quite sometime.

We've seen this demonstrated in recent history in Iraq. Now,we're fixing to see it with the Muslim brotherhood ruling Egypt.

NO,Rice was not correct,Rice was criminally irresponsible as was Bush and as Obama is. There is not enough virtue within the Arabic Muslim community,so their natural vote will lead to a leader representing that level of virtue.

Within the Arab world,I cannot find one state(possible exception of Lebanon IF Iran didn't rule Lebanon by proxy) where the people could have such a say and not end up with some type of religious nutcase rule which would do all the following:

1) Work for no free volition within their states .The "dictators" allow more. Ask a Christian in Iraq. Ask a Christian in Egypt 3 months from now.

The dictators often restricted emotional and irrational stupidity,the democratic elected tyrants(one time) will enhance this stupidity.

2) Work for more confrontation with Israel and maximize the inherent anti Jewish instincts of Arabs and Muslims.

3) Work for more unity within the Ummah against all non Muslim entities.


Maybe just maybe Tunisia will escape this end. Maybe even they won't. Lebanon would be OK if Iran wasn't doing what the Egyptians are dreaming of right now.
#62
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/egypt-three...-outcomes/
http://pajamasmedia.com/michaeltotten/20...c-opinion/

Some encouraging polling data in the above article:

Quote:But what do Egyptians really think? According to a recent Pew poll, they are extremely radical even in comparison to Jordan or Lebanon. When asked whether they preferred “Islamists” or “modernizers,” the score was 59% to 27% in favor of the Islamists. In addition, 20 percent said they liked al-Qaeda; 30 percent, Hezbollah; 49 percent, Hamas. And this was at a time that their government daily propagandized against these groups.

How about religious views? Egyptian Muslims said the following: 82 percent want adulterers punished with stoning; 77 percent want robbers to be whipped and have their hands amputated; 84 percent favor the death penalty for any Muslim who changes his religion.
Sodomia delenda est

#63
Time to start building fences.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#64
Obama and and his idiot followers actually believe that democracy is coming to the nations presently affected by Nile fever.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
#65
The US has pedalled since the 1950s the idea that democracy is THE answer for civic excellence. Another of our "American gospel truths" over here that isn't true.



The direct election of leaders expresses exactly the net virtue of any group of humans.

There is no "virtue added" because a human gets to pull a switch for candidate A over B as opposed to being ruled by a man who didn't ask for your opinion.
#66
mv Wrote:
Quote:But what do Egyptians really think? According to a recent Pew poll, they are extremely radical even in comparison to Jordan or Lebanon. When asked whether they preferred “Islamists” or “modernizers,” the score was 59% to 27% in favor of the Islamists. In addition, 20 percent said they liked al-Qaeda; 30 percent, Hezbollah; 49 percent, Hamas. And this was at a time that their government daily propagandized against these groups.

How about religious views? Egyptian Muslims said the following: 82 percent want adulterers punished with stoning; 77 percent want robbers to be whipped and have their hands amputated; 84 percent favor the death penalty for any Muslim who changes his religion.
if they hated mubarak's government, it's propaganda had a reverse effect. anyway, the people didn't start to rebell against him because they want more islam, but because the standard of life is in decline. fewer jobs, high inflation, especially food and energy prices rising sharply. iran seems to handle the situation quite nicely.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
#67
Food and Energy prices are rising everywhere, the only exceptions are the countries not linked to the US.... does this mean that before long we will be ousting the boy too?

,,,,,,,,

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/2011013...ial-report

Incidentally, circa 10th of January Friedman released his early forecast. He did not say much about Egypt there... :lol:
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#68
Biden: Mubarak not a dictator, protests not like Eastern Europe

It seems that the boy figured that if Mubarak loses, he may be up to his ears in shiite.... or perhaps Bidet simply talks through his ass?
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#69
mv Wrote:Biden: Mubarak not a dictator, protests not like Eastern Europe

It seems that the boy figured that if Mubarak loses, he may be up to his ears in shiite.... or perhaps Bidet simply talks through his ass?

I have to assume now that PBS's "Newshour," is part of SNL, right?




This is interesting, but perhaps a bit too simplistic.

Quote:Sayyid Qutb is dead, but still dangerous

Alan Howe


SAYYID Qutb. Remember that name. You'll hear it often in coming months and years. Indeed, he may end up being the most influential person of the 21st century.

He's been dead 46 years. But Karl Marx was the person who most influenced the 20th century he did not live to see.

Marx's writings inspired the communism and socialism that spread throughout large parts of the world after the Russian Revolution. The internal contradictions of communism eventually caused its collapse, as surely as China has turned away from it and the command economy(that is highly debatable).

Qutb's influence is more menacing than Marx. The radicals of the Muslim Brotherhood that are these days inspired by his manifesto, In The Shade of The Koran, will be central to the riots and violent chaos in Cairo.

It has always been the ultimate aim of the likes of Qutb and the Koran-quoting assassins he inspires to die advancing the cause of Islam. It goes without saying that an Egypt led by Islamic theocrats would attack Israel, unleashing god knows what.

The world understands Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak corruptly keeps government and that some of his people are illegally repressed. But that draconian rule has kept Egypt stable and its Islamic core under control. After losing wars with Israel, it decided to join the modern world in accepting that country's right to exist, even if Egyptian Muslims still see it as an enemy.

Under Mubarak, Egypt has helped keep the peace first won by his predecessor, Anwar Sadat, and Israel's Menachem Begin in 1979. For daring to barter peace with Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Sadat in 1981.

Mubarak that day bravely took on the leadership, and pledged to recognise all treaties with Israel, and they have been trying to kill him ever since.

While these days some are inclined to smile at some of the absurdities uttered by Qutb -- he once wrote that jazz was "music that the Negroes invented to satisfy their primitive inclinations, as well as their desire to be noisy" -- his influence is on enemies of ours who mean business. Al-Qaida for one.

Qutb was hanged with Brotherhood mates who'd been planning to assassinate Egyptian leaders.

That's the good news. The bad is he is a hero to people who plan to hurt us.

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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#70
mv Wrote:Food and Energy prices are rising everywhere, the only exceptions are the countries not linked to the US....
yes, but your and israel's hireling mubarak decided everything in his country, that's a monarchy, the sort of collectivism you spread throughout the world. what a surprise he's blamed now.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
#71
Now this is indeed interesting. My question is this: why are they really shocked? Did they actually believe they could trust someone like the Boy Wonder?

Quote:To win popular Arab opinion, Obama was risking America's status as a superpower and reliable ally.

"Throughout Asia, Africa and South America, leaders are now looking at what is going on between Washington and Cairo. Everyone grasps the message: "America's word is worthless ... America has lost it."
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#72
Israel isn't part of his Leftist agenda. Should Mubarak be toppled war with Israel won't be far off, the Left is counting on Israel losing this one. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Israel is forced to use a nukes to defend itself.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
#73
Some counties/societies are not ready for democracy. When protesters demanding democracy also loot refrigerators, TVs, stereos, etc. they show that they will be better of living under a strong dictatorship.
Otherwise they will end up living under worst conditions than they were doing before.
#74
This is no different than the Iranian revolution in the late '70's. I imagine the effects will be the same as well. I wonder what Dr Al-Zawahiri thinks about all this. He must be loving it, he was part of a group trying to overthrow Sadat before he was assassinated.

Obama will be known for feeding Egypt to the wolves. If I were Clinton, I would immediately tenure my resignation as Sec of State as he has just served her with a dogs dinner in terms of keeping any semblance of peace in the Middle East.
#75
ghoullio Wrote:If I were Clinton, I would immediately tenure my resignation as Sec of State as he has just served her with a dogs dinner in terms of keeping any semblance of peace in the Middle East.

Now, that's a good point there.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#76
El Baradeï Playing the Yelstsin of the Arab World
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If not his back ake, he would have climbed on a tank.

In the article linked above, we also learn that soccer fans and internet chatters played a bigger role in the uprising than established opposition groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Baradeï's Association for Change.

IMO the islamists, taken by surprise like anyone else, is not able to manipulate these poeple. If they could they wouldn't talk about Turkish-style multipartism.

Edit:
Kamil
, the looters and the protesters are different poeple.
What we see in the streets of Cairo, is an army which respect the right of the poeple to protest and made clear, at the same time, that they will shot looters. No reports on massive looting or private property rampage since.

IMO, if the islamists were about to take over Egypt, the US and the EU wouldn't ask gently Mubarak to take his pension.
#77
Beck is having a fit on Fox, over the US's hypocrisy. He's had trouble getting his words straight, so he is obviously worked up over the rank stupidity of the Fake Media, who are claiming that this Egyptian/MiddleEast revolt is all about democracy.

And he is right on the money, even though he is less than coherent at all times. In fact, he is saying the exact same thing some of us here have been saying. How can we be upset when the 'man on the street' looks at us with anything less than contempt? After all, we are propping up dictators, giving them loads of money, and not expecting the leaders to have their citizenry's well-being in mind. We are, in effect, condoning them mistreating citizens, who may be critical of the system.

I'm afraid we are about to see another example like Iran, if we are not on our toes, and it could lead to far worse.

When are we ever going to learn that we are known by the company we keep? Hell, my Mother taught me that over sixty years ago. Why can't our leaders learn this little bit of wisdom?
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#78
This idea that the Americans cannot be trusted,look what happens to their friends is sorta late in arriving.

We've been winning and losing these games from 1946 till now,this ain't a new phenomenon.

John,Qutb is the intellectual father of modern Islamic terrorism. Marx is an excellent analogy to Qutb.
#79
Don't despair. Things are truly cyclical. When things look like they can't get any worse, the sun comes out and lights up the shadows.

Look at how miserable we were during Carter: measuring our misery with an index and giving away our international prestige.

...Then Reagan showed up and put our ducks in a row. We don't know who or what will step up, but step up they will.
#80
There is no Reagan on the horizon, though. The future is just an endless stack of Obamas, one atop the other until zombies eat us all or aliens destroy the planet...


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