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Middle East Meltdown - 1
#21
yes, it's spreading to more countries with long-term dictators by grace of america, algeria, yemen, egypt. none of them as democratic as iran in the remotest as we need to mention, but each single one governed saddam style. i hope egypt will fall, and they start to kick irael's ass again.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
#22
I couldn't see starting another thread, about one more friendly, democratic, Islamic nation, going up in smoke. So I added to the title and put this little set of gems here.

Looks like the stable government of Egypt, is in the tank as well. In fact, it appears to be so bad that Hosni Mubarak has gotten his son to leave the country.

I wonder which Islamic paradise will be next?
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#23
Most likely, false rumors.

President Hosni Mubarak's family has not fled Egypt's rising, deadly political protests, an U.S. Embassy source in Cairo tells CBS News.
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#24
mv Wrote:Most likely, false rumors.

President Hosni Mubarak's family has not fled Egypt's rising, deadly political protests, an U.S. Embassy source in Cairo tells CBS News.

Well, in that case his iron grip is still assured. Wink1
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#25
We shall see.

One possible scenario is the repeat of the Iranian revolution... at least the US is encouraging the uprising already, just like it did back then ..

The implications will include end of Israel, denial of the Suez Canal route to the US navy, and sky high energy prices,... the latter complicating the bastard's reelection prospects.
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#26
mv Wrote:We shall see.

One possible scenario is the repeat of the Iranian revolution... at least the US is encouraging the uprising already, just like it did back then ..

The implications will include end of Israel, denial of the Suez Canal route to the US navy, and sky high energy prices,... the latter complicating the bastard's reelection prospects.

I love the subtitle: The US secretary of state said Egyptian government should allow protesters to demonstrate over poverty and repression. Could he halt them if he wished? I'm just curious about that.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#27
If Egypt goes to the Islamic fanatics, the ME (especially Israel) is in serious straits. I am surprised that HR Clinton would seem to condone the Carter Doctrine for Egypt. According to Stratfor, the Egyptian chief of staff is in DC getting briefed. On appeasement or resolve?

If the Tunisian turmoil turns into a north African wave of radical Islamic take overs, can Pakistan be far behind?
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
#28
Fantastic. Then Turkey possibly?

It's a wonder to me that we had a gun totin' hillbilly of a President for eight years, yet everybody kept their pants on. Now that the MEssiah is in office, it's like a mad dash to throw off the moderate systems of government in the Middle East.
#29
Yes, that is an interesting observation. During Early Bush, we had all kinds of color revolutions and Libya giving up its A-bomb.

Now with Hussein in the oval office, expounding on the decay of the US, the un-exceptionalism of the US and his bowing to every dictator he meets, somehow things are becoming unraveled.

Yet the US could not hold the world together forever by itself.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
#30
jt Wrote:Yes, that is an interesting observation. During Early Bush, we had all kinds of color revolutions and Libya giving up its A-bomb.

Now with Hussein in the oval office, expounding on the decay of the US, the un-exceptionalism of the US and his bowing to every dictator he meets, somehow things are becoming unraveled.

Yet the US could not hold the world together forever by itself.

May I quote some Hussein here?

Illinois State Senator Barack Obama, on Oct 2, 2002 Wrote:"You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells...

...Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance, corruption and greed, poverty and despair."
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#31
Egypt in a revolution is definitely going to be terrible. That's a big state,geographically strategic state.

I think Tunisia might get by w/o Islamism,Egypt won't.
#32
Yea, he's pretty brilliant, giving the whole region a chance to go to hell because he just doesn't like Bush (or is just sympathetic to the Muslim side of things), or he actually cares about the lives of irrelevant individuals there.
#33
jt Wrote:If the Tunisian turmoil turns into a north African wave of radical Islamic take overs, can Pakistan be far behind?
No.
North African countries are separate entities, with stiff border control (unless you cross the desert where there is no roads or water), and very different regimes and different economies.
The Tunisian event is a Tunisian affair and talking of contamination is pure disinformation.

Egypt and Algeria are at risk of falling into the hand of islamists if they don't repress them with harsh measures. Marroco has less risk than Algeria, and in Tunisia this risk is totaly new -mostly based on speculation. In Lybia the risk is null as long as Ghaddafi dictates.

About Obama: Once again I think he was right: We didn't need a military war against Iraq where more than 4000 us soldiers died and an uncalculable number of civilians.

Urging with pacific means countries like Egypt, Saudis Arabia, and why not Tunisia and Algeria, to manage better their country and better educate poeple, would have been more positive.

Obama was an utopist: One one hand you don't change corrupt governements and on the other hand the US leadership wasn't able to understand anything but war logic.
#34
Quote:Obama was an utopist

was? I thought for a moment he relieved us of his presence.

Stratfor Red Alert Wrote:Unconfirmed reports from Al Jazeera on Jan. 28 say the army and police forces are clashing in Cairo.
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#35
This picture says a lot about Egypt. That soldier's face is telling:

HERE
#36
It has now spread to Jordan.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
#37
Even Albanians are not happy. Must be some sort of Islamic social disease?
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#38
Just 1500 years of inbreeding.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
#39
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/2011012...government

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some good comments here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2665096/posts
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#40
mv Wrote:http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/2011012...government

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some good comments here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2665096/posts

Quote:10. Biggest loser #1; USA. Oil prices cripple economy. Even worse, word in every diplomatic circle becomes "See what happens to America's friends."

We have known for decades we were vulnerable here. I wonder how much longer the Eco-Wackos are going to control energy policy, and if enough citizens are still willing to bend over and spread the cheeks for them?

One other important thing: this is what happens when we cozy up to dictatorships and are willing to forget our basic principles for which the nation was established. Will we ever learn?
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz



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