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#61
Palladin Wrote:I have mixed feelings on McChrystal's capabilities,.

I think we can postulate him to be more capable than the boy. So would be any of us if promoted to his position. And quite obviously, equally doomed to fail.
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#62
Fredledingue Wrote:
mv Wrote:Turkey looks east and makes waves
The interesting part is another piece of evidence of emerging rivalry between Turkey and Egypt. No big surprise here; this is likely to intensify. ...

Not only between Turkey and Egypt, also between Turkey and anybody else. The only reason why Egypt and Turkey could be friend with Israel is that Israel is not a muslim state hence no rivalry.
The US doesn't have to choose between Turkey, Egypt or yet another muslim power. That's time wasted. The US has to compose with the various factions or tribes, not even nations, in the Middle East mozaique.

Also this article is blowing the Gaza event out of proportion: Erdogan expresses outrage at Israel and the balance of power is changed in the arab world, all of a sudden from Sudan to Pakistan.
How weak is this balance of power?
The only thing Erdogan did was to play the Palestinian card, it's politicaly correct and very popular to be pro palestinian in the muslim world and Erdogan just do what every muslim politician do to gain sympathy from the mass. An oxymoronic behavior since not a single muslim has an ounce of sympathy for the Palestinians themselves. They hate palestinians but love those who support them.

Now, I'll end with this gem:
LA Times Wrote:The country positioned itself as an Islamic democracy that would fit into the EU.
...That's wonderful! 8)
Yet not as much as this:
LA Times Wrote:Despite making political and human rights reforms, however, Turkey felt ostracized by Berlin and other capitals that believed a country with thousands of minarets was not truly European.
Now, ask yourself coy-bows, do you think Turkey would fit in the US?

Fred, I really think I can live with your assessment, to a goodly extent. S2
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#63
mv Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:I have mixed feelings on McChrystal's capabilities,.

I think we can postulate him to be more capable than the boy. So would be any of us if promoted to his position. And quite obviously, equally doomed to fail.
Perhaps McChrystal is using this as an opportunity to bail out, verifying that Afghanistan is a lost cause.
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jt Wrote:
mv Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:I have mixed feelings on McChrystal's capabilities,.

I think we can postulate him to be more capable than the boy. So would be any of us if promoted to his position. And quite obviously, equally doomed to fail.
Perhaps McChrystal is using this as an opportunity to bail out, verifying that Afghanistan is a lost cause.

I think I heard someone mention that earlier today. Perhaps, or perhaps not, I don't know.
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#65
Afghanistan so far as we are concerned is in full crisis mode.

McChrystal has a bad reputation among his peers for disrespecting his superiors and a big mouth,so knowing this I don't think he's "bad acting" to get out of Afghanistan.

This is bad act #2 for McChrystal,if he disagrees with policy,he can resign and freely speak,he has NOT. Which makes me think Obama is not the bad guy here.

McChrystal has a level of validity due to his association with David Petraeus,resigning and going public would be perfect right now IF Obama wasn't supporting his policies.

That's what I perceive is the problem,McChrystal's policies. He did well as a SOCOM field commander,quite well,he is in over his head as a commander of an Army.

If you're praying men,pray for the POTUS right now because even IF I am accurate,it is a difficult choice to make right here. The time,the previous public pronouncements and the instability of sudden change,it may be best he allows McChrystal to stay. Or not.
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#66
Rush Limbaugh was talking about McChrystal and said that he is known as a warrior-type rather than a bureaucrat-type, but the jury is still out on that because of conflicting signals. First off, how can a military man be a warrior and vote for Obama?

He went into more detail than the snippets I've read or heard in the media. I guess the bruhaha is primarily short comments possibly made in private in a tavern, overheard by Rolling Stones contributors. The comments were not by McChrystal, but by his staff. Rush was of the opinion that the statements were put out there on purpose to pressure the President to do his job.

The latest word is that McChrystal has submitted his resignation.
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#67
His staff is under his direct authority,none of them would remotely make these comments w/o him having a hand in it.

He should have fired the ones who made these comments to the magazine himself. The guy is not in command clearly.

He was a top SOCOM operator,as a field commander he is an utter failure.

This looks like I'm running the war over there. Not a good thing.
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#68
Back to the Thanksgiving issues.

These two are interesting:
http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/en/conten...aeli-uavs/ (Stratfor-pirated)
http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/en/conten...ard-drift/ (AP)
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WmLambert Wrote:Rush Limbaugh was talking about McChrystal and said that he is known as a warrior-type rather than a bureaucrat-type, but the jury is still out on that because of conflicting signals. First off, how can a military man be a warrior and vote for Obama?

Hey, that's easy. I'm not excusing him for it, but after eight years of Junior, and then the possibility of McDoufus following up, may have been just too much for him. Hell, I steadfastly refuse to even vote McDoufus for county dog catcher.

Also, perhaps as a military minded man, he did not keep up all that much with the Boy King as we do, and really fell for all that Hope and Change. Who knows, but the answer to your question was very easy to answer Bill.
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No, as a military man, both Bush and McCain were known to at least be on the right side of the rifle.

After Reid, Murtha, Durbin, AND Obama talking down the military, McChrystal would never vote for an appeaser like Obama unless he saw Leftist politics as a boost to his career.
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#71
Just a reminder subject of this thread was Turkey S1
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WmLambert Wrote:No, as a military man, both Bush and McCain were known to at least be on the right side of the rifle.

After Reid, Murtha, Durbin, AND Obama talking down the military, McChrystal would never vote for an appeaser like Obama unless he saw Leftist politics as a boost to his career.

Hey, fine. He's still a doufus, and I wouldn't vote for that Turkey if you put a gun to my head. PERIOD!! Obama is easy to read. McDoufus is a loaded gun, with only one empty chamber. No telling when or where he would go off.

How Arizona was stupid enough to vote for that Jerk, is totally beyond me. And if they vote him in again, Arizonians are not as smart as I thought they were. And we don't deserve that @ssHole again. He can pound sand, or something else, as far as I'm concerned. If Deakin were to drop out tomorrow, Hayworth, who is still behind, would definitely win. McDoufus in not garnering 50% which means in a two person contest, he would be history, according to Dick Morris. G-d!, I dispise that Progressive Sonofabitch. I even hate the way he licks stamps.
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#73
Kamil Wrote:Just a reminder subject of this thread was Turkey S1

You're absolutely correct "K". I just see Red when the McDoufus comes up. I can't help myself. :"disgusting":
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#74
You are just getting your turkeys confused, John L.

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I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#75
The old Byzantine standard was a two-headed turkey (still used by Greek Orthodox:
[Image: Byzantine_eagle.jpg]
), I would understand three to trump two, but five is an overkill.
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#76
mv Wrote:The old Byzantine standard was a two-headed turkey (still used by Greek Orthodox:, I would understand three to trump two, but five is an overkill.

Nice try Michael. Turkeys, at least the feathered ones, are indigenous to North America. Wink1
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#77
I don't have the URL at hand,but,the TAK(apparently a PKK associate) blew up a bus of soldiers today in Istanbul. Killed 5 or 6 soldiers including a 17 year old girl.

These IEDs are going to be the scourge of the earth it appears.
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#78
happens every week.
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#79
Fred,

The IED aspect is what grabbed my attention. This technology is going to make life hard for any group that doesn't have a homogenous society or voluntary "let's be friends" mentality.
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US: Turkey must show commitment

Quote:The United States is warning Turkey that it is alienating US supporters and needs to demonstrate its commitment to partnership with the West.

The remarks by Philip Gordon, the Obama administration's top diplomat on European affairs, were a rare admonishment of a crucial NATO ally
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