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Coming war Against Israel
#41
Looks like we are headed for a showdown real soon. Israel is determined to stop them. Stay tuned.
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#42
If Hezbullah attacks Israel chemicaly, the jewish state will definetely and finaly get serious about making war against them, like not retreating and self-declaring defeat after 3 weeks.

But it will also sign the start of operations to end the Iranian nuke program. Whatever that will be necessary to bring it to an end. Because if they use chemicals already, no one will want them to use nukes in a foreseable future.

Currently we don't have the means to attack Iran in an effective and economicaly and moraly responsible manner. But a chemical attack will change that perception immediately.
Iran will immediately become a legal and moraly accepted target for a war, as much as and maybe more that Saddam's Iraq was after he invaded Kuwait. And one year later a coalition will attack Iran.

Now it depends of course of the size and the result of the chemical attack. If it's a failure or if it kills less than, say, 200 poeple, it won't have more impact than a bomb in a dancing or in a subway train. And I think that if Hezb tries something like that, they will fail as the gas disperses before hurting enough poeple.

Like Palladin, I don't think they are as stupid as to launch a chemical attack on Israel, but I also do think that they are not smart enough to do it successfuly.
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#43
Fred, this has never been talked about, outside myself, from what I know. But I honestly believe that when Israel really decides to let the ball drop, there will be far more than just air and missile strikes in Iran. I am convinced that there will be a well orchestrated revolt/commando strike taking place within Iran. And it will have been sponsored by Israel. And the number of covert operatives, and commandos will be huge. Israel will take a 'holistic' approach to this IMO.

I have no doubt that Israel has all the inside "skinny" on all of the important military, as well as nuclear, sites, and already have plans on how to get in to them, and neutralize them. I'm not saying they will be entirely successful, but the pure Hell they could raise would be staggering. I don't doubt this for one minute.
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#44
John,

That article shows the level of change for the worse in Turkey,IMO. I can't help but believe the Iraq invasion had this unintended consequence. I very much doubt Turkey will ever be a friendly state again.

Maybe it would have happened anyway,I think Iraq was a catalyst.
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#45
I can't answer that Patrick. But part of all this is the present Islamic government. If,....well when they fall, things may well change back. The simple truth is that Iraq was a rogue state under Uncle Saddam. Today, it is more stable, and I would think Turkey to be happier that one of it's borders is less volatile.
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#46
JohnL, please define "less volatile".
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I don't think that Turkey is angry about the Iraq war, only that the love relationship with the US has changed after 10 years. Military aid (understand cash handout) subsided, so did air bases rentals, and the US can't make them believe that they will incorporate them into the EU or that they have the power to do so. They also said something about the Armenian Genocide that the turks didn't like.
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#47
Fredledingue Wrote:JohnL, please define "less volatile".
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I don't think that Turkey is angry about the Iraq war, only that the love relationship with the US has changed after 10 years. Military aid (understand cash handout) subsided, so did air bases rentals, and the US can't make them believe that they will incorporate them into the EU or that they have the power to do so. They also said something about the Armenian Genocide that the turks didn't like.

Less Volatile as in less Kurdish terrorists coming across the border and destroying/killing things in Turkey. The PKK is no longer able to access the territory. They have to use Syria, or Iran these days. But generally speaking, the Kurdish problem has pretty much subsided. That is why a Kurdistan would be a good thing for the Kurds and the Turks.
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#48
There is nothing like putting one's arm around someone, saying kind things, and then as the other person, turns, slipping the long blade between the shoulder blades. And that is exactly what Obama, and crew, are doing to Israel right here. I wonder if the American Ashkenazis will ever realize that they are only good for their votes, and can go to hell for anything else? American Ashkenazi Jews have not learned a thing, since being marched into the gas chambers, during WWII. And they will continue voting for Jackasses too, because they are inbred, brain damaged, dupes.

Meanwhile Israel is getting ready, to take care of business, if they must.
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#49
I only heard a quick blurb on the radio - something about Israel literally Air Assaulting a convoy with Turks in it or something and now relations are tense.

Can anyone confirm this? Kamil?
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#50
14 terrorists dead.
Sodomia delenda est

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#51
Yes,this was recorded from one ship:

"In the morning, participants on the flotilla were recorded shouting "Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya'ud", which means 'Jews, remember Khaybar, the army of Mohammed is returning.'

This cry relates to an event in the seventh century when Muslims massacred and expelled Jews from the town of Khaybar, in modern-day Saudi Arabia".

Israel is in for a rough ride,Turks are turning into Islamic activists again for the first time since WWI,Hezzbollah is well armed,the USA is oriented against Israel. So far,Egypt has stayed put,they are the key.
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#52
And note the unbiased manner in which the Media is reporting this. They may have been 'so called' peace activists, but I will bet you they forgot about that at the time of the raid, and were attempting to distribute that 'peace' upon the Israeli.

I wonder if this is true? I personally wouldn't be a bit surprised.
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#53
They were a combo of western left wing ideologues and Islamists from Turkey. I think Turkey's government assisted the thing myself,Erdogan is becoming more and more openly Islamist in orientation.

The smart participants stayed in Cyprus and can speak to the press like Ms. Berlin. They let the idiots get themselves hurt or killed.
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#54
Did you see my modified post above?
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#55
Just read the last URL. I would guess the Hamas guys are telling the truth. It is pure Obama attempting to find the "reasonable" terrorists.

He's not a wise leader and he does not like Israel,that's clear. The change in US policy vis a vis Israel nuke deterrence is scary.

I hope now you can imagine why I am not such a fan of the US global role.

Against Stalin,it worked out for the good,the fact is the United States started heading toward "disgusting" in the 1990s as we related to Serbia,now we may be a nation I personally would prefer not to be associated with at all.
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#56
According to the Turkish media convoy of 7 ships. 3 carrying Turkish Flags, 2 with Greek Flags and one with USA Flag, and one with Irish Flag was boarded by the Israeli Boats in the International Waters (77 miles away from the Israel Sea limit).
10 Deaths are reported from one of the Turkish Ship named Marmara. 7 of the deaths are Turks and 3 from other nations.
According to media the Islamist are not in this convoy.
Looks like all the media in Turkey (Islamist, Nationalist and Leftist are faulting Israel for this boarding.
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#57


Quote:A brutal ambush at sea

Ron Ben Yishai recounts bloody clash aboard Gaza-bound vessel: The lacking crowd-dispersal means, the brutal violence of ‘peace activists,’ and the attempt to bring down an IDF helicopter

Our Navy commandoes fell right into the hands of the Gaza mission members. A few minutes before the takeover attempt aboard the Marmara got underway, the operation commander was told that 20 people were waiting on the deck where a helicopter was to deploy the first team of the elite Flotilla 13 unit. The original plan was to disembark on the top deck, and from there rush to the vessel’s bridge and order the Marmara’s captain to stop.

Officials estimated that passengers will show slight resistance, and possibly minor violence; for that reason, the operation’s commander decided to bring the helicopter directly above the top deck. The first rope that soldiers used in order to descend down to the ship was wrested away by activists, most of them Turks, and tied to an antenna with the hopes of bringing the chopper down. However, Flotilla 13 fighters decided to carry on.

Navy commandoes slid down to the vessel one by one, yet then the unexpected occurred: The passengers that awaited them on the deck pulled out bats, clubs, and slingshots with glass marbles, assaulting each soldier as he disembarked. The fighters were nabbed one by one and were beaten up badly, yet they attempted to fight back.

However, to their misfortune, they were only equipped with paintball rifles used to disperse minor protests, such as the ones held in Bilin. The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.

One soldier who came to the aid of a comrade was captured by the rioters and sustained severe blows. The commandoes were equipped with handguns but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. When they came down from the chopper, they kept on shouting to each other “don’t shoot, don’t shoot,” even though they sustained numerous blows.

‘I saw the tip of a rifle’
The Navy commandoes were prepared to mostly encounter political activists seeking to hold a protest, rather than trained street fighters. The soldiers were told they were to verbally convince activists who offer resistance to give up, and only then use paintballs. They were permitted to use their handguns only under extreme circumstances.

The planned rush towards the vessel’s bridge became impossible, even when a second chopper was brought in with another crew of soldiers. “Throw stun grenades,” shouted Flotilla 13’s commander who monitored the operation. The Navy chief was not too far, on board a speedboat belonging to Flotilla 13, along with forces who attempted to climb into the back of the ship.

The forces hurled stun grenades, yet the rioters on the top deck, whose number swelled up to 30 by that time, kept on beating up about 30 commandoes who kept gliding their way one by one from the helicopter. At one point, the attackers nabbed one commando, wrested away his handgun, and threw him down from the top deck to the lower deck, 30 feet below. The soldier sustained a serious head wound and lost his consciousness.

Only after this injury did Flotilla 13 troops ask for permission to use live fire. The commander approved it: You can go ahead and fire. The soldiers pulled out their handguns and started shooting at the rioters’ legs, a move that ultimately neutralized them. Meanwhile, the rioters started to fire back at the commandoes.

“I saw the tip of a rifle sticking out of the stairwell,” one commando said. “He fired at us and we fired back. We didn’t see if we hit him. We looked for him later but couldn’t find him.” Two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds to their knee and stomach after rioters apparently fired at them using guns wrested away from troops.

2 errors
During the commotion, another commando was stabbed with a knife. In a later search aboard the Marmara, soldiers found caches of bats, clubs, knives, and slingshots used by the rioters ahead of the IDF takeover. It appeared the activists were well prepared for a fight.

Some passengers on the ship stood at the back and pounded the soldiers’ hands as they attempted to climb on board. Only after a 30-minute shootout and brutal assaults using clubs and knifes did commandoes manage to reach the bridge and take over the Marmara.

It appears that the error in planning the operation was the estimate that passengers were indeed political activists and members of humanitarian groups who seek a political provocation, but would not resort to brutal violence. The soldiers thought they will encounter Bilin-style violence; instead, they got Bangkok. The forces that disembarked from the helicopters were few; just dozens of troops — not enough to contend with the large group awaiting them.

The second error was that commanders did not address seriously enough the fact that a group of men were expecting the soldiers on the top deck. Had they addressed this more seriously, they may have hurled tear-gas grenades and smoke grenades from the helicopter to create a screen that would have enabled them to carry out their mission, without the fighters falling right into the hands of the rioters, who severely assaulted them.


The Israelis thought they would be dealing with political activists and members of humanitarian groups who looking for a political provocation, but would not resort to brutal violence. They were wrong. Next time they should simply kill the SOB's.
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#58
Kamil,

Of course the media is blaming Israel,what else is new?

They offered to allow any humanitarian supplies be given to them to be checked first,then transported into Gaza via the land route and these as well as the other activists said no.

Here's what worries me about Turkey. The PKK just murdered 6-10 Turk soldiers and WHAT are the headlines in Turkey?

This nonsense about assisting Hamas. That tells me Turks have made a deadly turn toward the radical view of Islam,I hope I am wrong.
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#59
Palladin Wrote:Kamil,

Of course the media is blaming Israel,what else is new?

They offered to allow any humanitarian supplies be given to them to be checked first,then transported into Gaza via the land route and these as well as the other activists said no.

Here's what worries me about Turkey. The PKK just murdered 6-10 Turk soldiers and WHAT are the headlines in Turkey?

This nonsense about assisting Hamas. That tells me Turks have made a deadly turn toward the radical view of Islam,I hope I am wrong.

What are they Patrick?
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Quote:However, to their misfortune, they were only equipped with paintball rifles used to disperse minor protests, such as the ones held in Bilin. The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.

You've got to be kidding me,......right?
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