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Humans carry Neanderthal DNA
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OFGS, the "love child" of the 5th century BC philosophizes on the "ideal" society and suddenly its "real"? Heck, might as well search for Utopia, or better yet Liliput. We will not even discuss the "occult" and Lemuria! Why not go whole-hog here and yammer on about how "aliens" from outer space were responsible for the Neolithic Revolution--you could always sell the stuff to the History Channel.

http://www.surinenglish.com/20101122/new...21232.html
http://scitechdaily.com/caves-of-nerja-c...-drawings/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17179608
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

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#62
John L, Are you forgetting the complex mechanism filled with gears and wheels that was found in a sunken ship, or the apparent batteries, or the apparent static electric generators Egyptian priests could have used to impress the Pharoahs with their power to make lightning jump off their fingers?

Who knows what technological or scientific wonders might have been contained in the great Library of Alexandria, before it was burned? There is too much of history that we know too little of for us to be able to make any sweeping statements about there never being any previous civilizations that attained any technological sophistication.
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(03-11-2012, 10:22 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: John L, Are you forgetting the complex mechanism filled with gears and wheels that was found in a sunken ship, or the apparent batteries, or the apparent static electric generators Egyptian priests could have used to impress the Pharoahs with their power to make lightning jump off their fingers?

Who knows what technological or scientific wonders might have been contained in the great Library of Alexandria, before it was burned? There is too much of history that we know too little of for us to be able to make any sweeping statements about there never being any previous civilizations that attained any technological sophistication.

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#64
Sure Ron, this is undisputed facts you are telling about here:
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#65
John,

Last night I watched a documentary about an alleged meteor 1 kilometer in diameter. It is said to be recorded by Sumerian star gazers ~ 3200 BC. Anyway, it seems to have hit near Switzerland according to the show.

They posited this meteor could have rained down high quantities of fireballs as far away as the near east.

Is this plausible and is it plausible a meteor like that description could cause massive global changes, such as north Africa going from lush to desert and such??

In this documentary, they interviewed an OSU professor concerning ice core samples. He stated there was a global catastrophe at this timeframe based on ice core samples from all continents, they all show evidence ~ 3200 BC of a catastrophe.

Meteor that big could do all this?

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(03-12-2012, 04:05 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

Last night I watched a documentary about an alleged meteor 1 kilometer in diameter. It is said to be recorded by Sumerian star gazers ~ 3200 BC. Anyway, it seems to have hit near Switzerland according to the show.

They posited this meteor could have rained down high quantities of fireballs as far away as the near east.

Is this plausible and is it plausible a meteor like that description could cause massive global changes, such as north Africa going from lush to desert and such??

In this documentary, they interviewed an OSU professor concerning ice core samples. He stated there was a global catastrophe at this timeframe based on ice core samples from all continents, they all show evidence ~ 3200 BC of a catastrophe.

Meteor that big could do all this?

Which program did you watch, and on which channel? I'm curious here.

By using 'meteor' I am assuming it blew up in the atmosphere, and rained down smaller pieces. Meteors that strike earth are meteorites.

As for size, a one thousand metre(1 Km) would have done more than just influence the climate temporarily. I somehow think the size used here is perhaps a bit too large. If something of that size entered the atmosphere, there would be an Impactor site. Remember, Meteor Crater was caused by a 45-50 metre object.

Also, by 3,200BC the Sahara was pretty much as it is today. It is somewhere around 6-8 thousand BC that the Sahara was green. And it was warmer then than today.

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#67
I think it was a documentary on the science channel attempting to explain some ancient phenomena. They would take Sumerian data compare it say to Bible data and known science stuff(i.e. ice core samples) and see if it was a plausible explanation for X.

This one tried to explain the sodom and gommorah destruction as possible via this "Sumerian" astroid, meteor or whatever. I just wondered if the distance and destruction sounded reasonable to you that far away.

Also, they may have used 5200 BC for the asteroid, I honestly can't recall.

BTW, check this out:

http://www.livescience.com/19039-human-s...-cave.html
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(03-14-2012, 01:09 PM)Palladin Wrote: I think it was a documentary on the science channel attempting to explain some ancient phenomena. They would take Sumerian data compare it say to Bible data and known science stuff(i.e. ice core samples) and see if it was a plausible explanation for X.

This one tried to explain the sodom and gommorah destruction as possible via this "Sumerian" astroid, meteor or whatever. I just wondered if the distance and destruction sounded reasonable to you that far away.

Also, they may have used 5200 BC for the asteroid, I honestly can't recall.

BTW, check this out:

http://www.livescience.com/19039-human-s...-cave.html

Not sure if you also read this article, which was linked in the above one. It too is quite profound. But referring to the picture of the Chinese specimen, the size of the zigomatic is huge. The zigomatic bone is what is called the cheek bone. Note the comparison of the early human to a modern one. And the maxillary region of modern humans is more gracile as it becomes the zigomatic. Not so with this early sample.

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But getting back to the Sodom and Gomorrah story, I can well see some large Impactor detonating in the upper atmosphere and many of its parts raining down on to the countryside. It makes sense. There is almost always more than an accurate grain of truth in biblical stories.

But the specific details tend to become reshaped as they are used for the purpose of teaching others. Its entirely natural. Most written languages did not appear until the end of the Bronze Age. And all earlier events depended on verbal traditions If you have ever played the gossip game, of passing on messages along a chain of people, the exact message is almost always twisted, and not exactly like the first verbal message. The same thing happened here, and that is why the Atlantis tale, while probably true, was almost certainly about another civilization, called something else, and a bit different from the oral tradition Plato wrote down.

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#69
What is it? Darth Vader in the afterlife? With his helmet intact?
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#70
I don't know but this guy was probably a star at the wrestling federation.

Palladin, as John said, the meteor was probably desintegrated by the effect of gravitation and heat as it entered the atmosphere.
How they could mesure the size of this object for which there are no trace left, I don't know.

It was probably a comet, composed mostly of water and dust. Water would vaporise very quickely. Only small parts would hit the ground.
Large corpses tend to dislocate when coming to the vincinity of the gravitatrion field of a planet.

But if a 1km monolith hard enough and speeding head first to Earth and crashing intact south of Switzerland, we wouldn't hear about any legend like that since there would be nobody left at all until a totaly new population would come back many thousands years later.

Now this theory is interressting because it universaly explain all stuffs, like the disparition of Atlantide, the Noa's Ark, Soddom and Gohmorrah, and other legends of floods and fire.
It would also explain why such legends appeared in uncontacted civilisations across the globe at relatively the same time...
A 1km comet would leave rocks or blocks of ice all over the Earth. it woul not be limited to a single area.
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#71
Best I recall, the astroid was seen by the Sumerian stargazers and they recorded it as amazingly massive, heading westwards. They didn't detail why they thought it landed near Switzerland.

They were guessing about it's size of course and that was at the point the Sumerians saw it, not what it impacted at as it burnt off in our atmosphere.


BTW, this new "red cave" find seems to be weird. This thing is only 14K old, how could we have evolved away from that this fast?
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#72
Fred, gravitation is not the main reason why comets, or asteroids, break up in the atmosphere. This person gives a good answer.

Quote:Why do Asteroids Explode:Kinetic energy is released due to velocity/mass of the object interacting with friction. This energy is so vast given the velocities of asteroids it is released as heat and light.
Faster the object, greater the mass,greater the friction = one massive explosion.
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#73
The physics of a large impactor exploding due to steam expansion does not deflect much of the debris from hitting along the original trajectory at close to the original speed. As a matter of fact, if some particles have more streamlined shapes than the original body, then friction will slow it less. The speed of gravity is a constant, and things will reach a top velocity of 32 ft/s/s - but that is from something with no initial kinetic energy - only potential energy.
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#74
Has it ever been settled what blew up the Tunguska meteoroid before it impacted?

John L, you might like to do a little surfing on "Ooparts"--Out Of Place Artifacts.

Quote:In rare cases, the validity of claims is validated by mainstream science; i.e., it is proven that some artifact was created with a technology not previously thought to have existed in the ancient culture that built it. One piece that changed mainstream understanding of ancient technology is the Antikythera mechanism, a type of mechanical computer which has been fully validated as a real object from about 150–100 BC. Before X-ray examination, its clockwork-like appearance (dating about 1,000 years before clocks were invented) was cited as evidence of alien visitation by fringe sources.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact

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#75
Thta's ok for small asteroids, not for aircraft-carriers.
A large object will hit the ground before its core had the time to heat.

But large objects can break apart under the effect of gravitation.
That happened when the commet Shoemaker-Levy hit Jupiter. It broke in 7 parts before falling into the gazeous atmosphere 2 years later.
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Now, I'm not sure it can be replicated with Earth which has a gravitation force without any proportion with that of Jupiter.

I'm afraid if a comet hit us, Japanese will see a tsunami as never before...

Ron, Last time I checked, the ground caused the Tunguska meteor to desintegrate when both met each others.
Unless it was a UFO. It was probably a neanderthal UFO coming to save the last mammoth.
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#76
Where's the crater?
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#77
Here's some more interesting physiological news about Neanderthal and how they actually had an advantage over modern humans.

What Neanterthals' healthy teeth tell us about their minds: Surprisingly, some Neanderthals may have had better teeth than us, and that could reveal something about how they thought

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Many Neanderthals had better teeth than us. 

What is so interesting is that over time, we are learning so much more about these people.  Just taking plaque and analyzing it to see what they were eating, is a huge step forward.   S22
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#78
I read recently where some investigators have concluded the rapid destruction of the neanderthal was due to viruses they got from us, sort of like Indians over here died out fairly rapidly.
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#79
If so, the evidence will show up in the burial material from their dead.  It may be just as easy as remembering to check the plaque in the teeth to find out just what sorts of foods they really did consume.  As the science gets better, we will learn much more.

The knowledge base on Neanderthals is more than double what the field had to work with when I was at UT under Neyland Stadium.
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Now this is interesting.  Two Dutch brothers are doing a great job of rendering early hominids.  And note that the earlier primitive aspect of Neanderthals is not as pronounced as earlier thought.  In fact I am always on the lookout for anyone displaying Neanderthal cranial characteristics.

Meet the ancestors… the two brothers creating lifelike figures of early man.  Dutch twins Adrie and Alfons Kennis are showing their uncanny models in museums all over Europe. Adrie discusses how their creations are realised and the extreme reactions they can provoke

Quote:Identical twins with a combined age of 102, Adrie and Alfons Kennis are among Europe’s most sought-after – and controversial – hominid palaeo-artists: sculptors of lifesize reconstructions of early humans.

Working from a studio in their home town of Arnhem in the Netherlands, the brothers bring a surplus of exuberance to their creations, which are richly animated, expressive and – how better to put it? – human, even when they aren’t quite human. “If we have to make a reconstruction,” says Adrie, “we always want it to be a fascinating one, not some dull white dummy that’s just come out of the shower.”

In the 10 or so full-sized reconstructions completed during their career they have run the gamut of human history, from “Lucy” – the earliest known hominin fossil – to Homo erectus, Neanderthal man and, of course, Homo sapiens. Just last week, they put the finishing touches to a model for St Fagans National Museum of History in Wales. Due to be unveiled in October, it will be the third Kennis & Kennis work on display in the UK.

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Early European man: his DNA is 9% Neanderthal. Photograph: Kennis & Kennis Reconstructions


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