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The Myth(Lies?) That Is Barack Obama
#41
I think the "Kenyan" thing is a ruse to create an image for him, he was born in Hawaii , the 2 newspapers out there have articles about his birth. That's hard evidence.

This Kenyan deal is the same as Elizabeth Warren's Indian deal I bet, whether to get him access to freebies for college or to make himself cool to blacks in Chicago.



http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012...-paleface/
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#42
Patrick, even if he really was born in Hawaii, he has himself to blame for all the other lies and deceit accompanying him. And just as guilty is what passes for the Media today. When you add the fact that both are incompetent, there is only one way for all this to go.

You and I were raised in 'traditionalist' families, and almost certainly heard the old morality tale about lying. "Once you tell a lie, you almost always wind up having to tell another lie, just to cover up for the first one, and another lie to cover up that one, and another ......................................."

And just like Elizabeth Warren, all this cover-up may well contribute to his eventual removal. lets hope so anyway.
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#43
(05-19-2012, 10:42 AM)Palladin Wrote: I think the "Kenyan" thing is a ruse to create an image for him, he was born in Hawaii , the 2 newspapers out there have articles about his birth. That's hard evidence.

This Kenyan deal is the same as Elizabeth Warren's Indian deal I bet, whether to get him access to freebies for college or to make himself cool to blacks in Chicago.



http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012...-paleface/

Michelle Obama says he is from kenya.



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#44
(05-19-2012, 10:42 AM)Palladin Wrote: I think the "Kenyan" thing is a ruse to create an image for him, he was born in Hawaii , the 2 newspapers out there have articles about his birth. That's hard evidence.

This Kenyan deal is the same as Elizabeth Warren's Indian deal I bet, whether to get him access to freebies for college or to make himself cool to blacks in Chicago.



http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012...-paleface/

From your own link is a plausible comment:

Quote:2. greifer

Sorry, but Occam’s Razor is easier the other way: he was born in Kenya, and as the son and grandson of US citizens, it never occurred to him that he couldn’t be a multi-citizen of wherever he wanted to be from as it suited him, –Kenyan, Indonesian, African American, Muslim, Christian, etc. until it turned out that someone wanted him to run for president, and then specific details of the US code of citizenship were suddenly an issue.

That’s why he didn’t complain when Keyes said he was born in Kenyan–he was only running for the Senate, big deal.

The idea–simply the idea–that we have to have a THEORY TO EXPLAIN WHERE HE WAS BORN is insane. There used to be things that were understood as facts. A hometown or nation was just such a fact.

But yes, even with a different birthplace, the issue is the same: he thought he could be whatever he wished, whenever he wished, and changed as he wished. Whichever wish gave him the most power or the biggest leg up.

Who you are is up to you. That’s the same argument for why not gay marriage—who you say you are is who you are; what you define a relationship to be makes it so; what is wished for becomes the truth.

How much longer can we go pretending nothing is real?

The worst part, though, is that the cognitive dissonance of those who pretend it does not matter, will lead them to blame anyone when they are threatened. They aren’t going to suddenly wake up when it turns out there is no money, or there is no law, or they’re regulated out of job. They are going to blame someone else for having lied to them, rather than seeing they lied to themselves.

Weimar is looking awfully familiar now. The Fall of Rome may not be the closest analogue after all.
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#45
Michelle did not say he was born in Kenya. You know what she said.

She's discussing their African visit and the AIDS thing they did in Kenya where his father was a citizen and he is as well I assume. His cousin is the Kenyan Prime Minister and for her to say that there makes good logic.

It's his home country as much as the US is, that doesn't = "my husband was born in Kenya and I accidentally let this slip out in a prepared speech".

I don't like the guy anymore than you do, but, this is not a particularly sharp conclusion here.

Back to the article I posted, it may be that he really was born there. I doubt it though simply because both Hawaii daily's have birth notices on archive for him which Simon does not know of. The fact his scholastic days are sort of off limits makes me believe he used that lie to advance his kingdom. In other words, he's a criminal if I'm right and I assume Elizabeth Warren is, too.
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#46
You are rationalizing because Michelle make it clear that Kenya is his HOME COUNTRY.

Her actual words:

"...we took our trip to African visited his home country Kenya...."

LINK
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#47
You're assuming in a prepared political statement on a state visit that she let the cat out of the bag. That's as unlikely as one of us becoming POTUS. I'm assuming she and her speech writers are not that stupid.

My "rationalizing" is also based on the fact both Hawaii dailys have birth notices for Obama in their archives.

You can't get better evidence than that. As opposed to your interpretation of her speech and what it "really reveals". Which assumes both she and her speechwriters are idiots.

I give people more credit than you do, even those I don't vote for.

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#48
(05-19-2012, 01:58 PM)Palladin Wrote: You're assuming in a prepared political statement on a state visit that she let the cat out of the bag. That's as unlikely as one of us becoming POTUS. I'm assuming she and her speech writers are not that stupid.

My "rationalizing" is also based on the fact both Hawaii dailys have birth notices for Obama in their archives.

You can't get better evidence than that. As opposed to your interpretation of her speech and what it "really reveals". Which assumes both she and her speechwriters are idiots.

I give people more credit than you do, even those I don't vote for.

So you are going to ignore the easily understood words Michelle uttered.

Check.

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#49
I don't think Michelle's statement defines where he was born. A person can consider someplace home and not be born there.

But also, there were no contemporaneous birth announcements in Hawaii. There were after-the-fact announcements sent to the papers - but if he was born in Kenya and had a home in Hawaii, the exact same announcements would have been sent. What is missing is major.

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available
8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available
9. Law practice client list -- Not released
10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
12. Record of baptism -- Not available

... and any articles published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago (He was never a professor - just a lecturer. We had a lotta undergrads who did that at Michigan.)

The so-called birth certificate was a .pdf document that was not legal to be used.
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#50
Quote:I don't think Michelle's statement defines where he was born. A person can consider someplace home and not be born there.

Come on!

This is an absurd statement because if he has not been born or lived there her statement would make no sense at all.

Media matter themselves state he never lived in Kenya at all.He only visited there three times and the first one was in the late 1980's when he was already over 35 years of age.

LINK

What made her say this?

"...we took our trip to African visited his home country Kenya...."

So far yours and Palladin explanations are not satisfying.
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(05-19-2012, 09:22 PM)WmLambert Wrote: I don't think Michelle's statement defines where he was born. A person can consider someplace home and not be born there.

But also, there were no contemporaneous birth announcements in Hawaii. There were after-the-fact announcements sent to the papers - but if he was born in Kenya and had a home in Hawaii, the exact same announcements would have been sent. What is missing is major.

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available
8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available
9. Law practice client list -- Not released
10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
12. Record of baptism -- Not available

... and any articles published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago (He was never a professor - just a lecturer. We had a lotta undergrads who did that at Michigan.)

The so-called birth certificate was a .pdf document that was not legal to be used.

The Vetting - Exclusive Document Debunks Myth About Obama's Columbia Years

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#52
Don't be so obstinate. A person can live in a place for a period of his life and consider it home without being born there. There is no association with birthplace and home. If you think there is, you are mistaken. There is an old saying, "Home is where the heart is." Think about it.

The other missing documents and failure to be transparent ARE important. Even though he cannot be kicked out of office for any crime unless impeached, which won't happen with Harry Reid in charge of the Senate.
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#53
Did he ever live there, other than visit?
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#54
(05-19-2012, 11:11 PM)John L Wrote: Did he ever live there, other than visit?

The link at post #50 has this:

Quote:Contrary to Huckabee's claims, Obama did not grow up in Kenya. Obama spends significant portions of his book Dreams From My Father describing his first visit to Kenya in the late 1980s. On page 304, Obama writes of his arrival at Kenyatta International Airport (emphasis added):

Kenyatta International Airport was almost empty. Officials sipped at their morning tea as they checked over passports; in the baggage area, a creaky conveyor belt slowly disgorged luggage. Auma was nowhere in sight, so I took a seat on my carry-on bag and lit a cigarette. After a few minutes, a security guard with a wooden club started to walk toward me. I looked around for an ashtray, thinking I must be in a no-smoking area, but instead of scolding me, the guard smiled and asked if I had another cigarette to spare.

"This is your first trip to Kenya, yes?" he asked as I gave him a light.

"That's right."

"I see." He squatted down beside me. "You are from America. You know my brother's son, perhaps. Samson Otieno. He is studying engineering in Texas."

I told him that I'd never been to Texas and so hadn't had the opportunity to meet his nephew. This seemed to disappoint him, and he took several puffs from his cigarette in quick succession.

The BBC noted in a 2008 article that "Barack Obama has never lived in Kenya and he has visited the country just three times."

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#55
(05-19-2012, 10:57 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Don't be so obstinate. A person can live in a place for a period of his life and consider it home without being born there. There is no association with birthplace and home. If you think there is, you are mistaken. There is an old saying, "Home is where the heart is." Think about it.

The other missing documents and failure to be transparent ARE important. Even though he cannot be kicked out of office for any crime unless impeached, which won't happen with Harry Reid in charge of the Senate.

He never lived there according to Obama himself and does not show any indication that he considered Kenya a home of any kind.

Try again.

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#56
It was Obama's paternal grandmother, Sarah, who said he was born in her village in Kenya. There is a recording of her saying this on You Tube--speaking in her own language, so it has to be translated. She was reported to have said, "Barack nate dhalani." (Nate means "born". It is said that dhalani means "here.") Search on "Barack nate dhalani." Here is one of many hits:
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#57
(05-19-2012, 01:50 PM)sunsettommy Wrote: You are rationalizing because Michelle make it clear that Kenya is his HOME COUNTRY.

Her actual words:

"...we took our trip to African visited his home country Kenya...."

LINK

She actually said 'when we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test'. Is his home country a country in Kenya?

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#58
Quad,

If taken literally absent using your human reason, yes. .
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#59
I agree that Obama did not spend much time there - but his family did.

But, it doesn't really matter if he lived there or not. It was Michelle's usage that as in question, and if she used the vernacular of everyman, then "home" was not meant to say he was born there. ...Even if he was.

If the Truther argument is allowed to take interest away from Obama's botched handling of the Presidency, then Obama will be quite happy. He is happy enough to keep everything secret than solve all the questions by being transparent.

The better strategy is to demand transparency; ask for his vetted history that I listed earlier, which includes a stamped paper birth certificate. Use the lack of transparency as another piece of his failure as Prez.
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#60
Someone is going to find evidence on this deal in college. He probably used some "foreign student" special provision.

Anyway, the "natural born" provision of the law doesn't mean born here I don't think, it means you can't be a naturalized citizen.
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