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World's Greatest Mysteries(Stone Softening........) - John L - 11-18-2018 Having been submerged in History, Archaeology, and Anthropology, almost all of my academic life, you would think that I would have been delving on this archaeological mystery, that is out front for all to see, all over the world, but still not properly explained. For some reason I always wondered about it, but moved on to other topics that caught my attention. But I am now intrigued about this thing. I have a YouTube account, which automatically sets up a page dealing with all of my subscriptions and topics I find interesting. Well today one of my recommended videos to watch happened to be this one: Megalithic Softening of Stone Part 1 Suddenly I was enchanted because I had skipped over it for decades and always put it on the back burner. But this video had no Graham Hancock, Ancient Aliens, or whatever in the video. Just a straight forward question: "How were the ancients able to do almost impossible stone work that we can only admire and wonder how................. Here's Part II of the videos, which is also very good, and quietly asks us to apply our logic to something that seems so impossible. Megalithic Softening of Stone Part 2 How in the devil was this possible? One of the pages I went to mentioned the art of using plant extracts that could make the rocks softer and easier to manipulate. But naturally today's technology knows nothing about how this would be done. And yet it seems to have been practiced around the world prior to written languages. ![]() RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - John L - 11-18-2018 I began digging in and started with a Google search of Softening stone from plant extracts. I also searched here: Ancient Stone Softening. There was an awful lot of pages out there with people commenting on the same thing. But most of them tended to refer to this site owned by David Pratt who seems to be a huge follower of Theosophy in general. Here's his two part article on the lost civilizations of the Andes. Both sections are very compelling and are well written. But in Part 2 he covers Inca Stonemasonry and Stone Softening. Clearly there is something the ancients used, world wide, that were never written down and consequently forgotten over time. The more I study all this the more I tend to believe the 'plant extract' theory. Clearly the ancients did not have advanced technology, or help from all those Ancient Aliens that were supposed to be whizzing around the planet. And as the old saying goes, "When something happens, the simplest explanation is usually the right one." ![]() RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - John L - 11-19-2018 A Hypothesis: How Did They Build the Peruvian Stone Walls? | Ancient Architects RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - WmLambert - 11-19-2018 Extremely interesting. Any idea what the recipé for this stone could be? No cement in it, or so it seems. If we can make granite or other stones today, why don't we? Closest thing I can think of is man-made counter tops and thresholds. Today, man-made marble is cheaper than the real thing, so why don't we use it for architecture in general? RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - Ron Lambert - 11-19-2018 It has been known for at least 20 years that "stone softening" and the construction of South American ancient walls was done using rhubarb leaves--which is high in oxalic acid, that dissolves calcium carbonate in rocks. I myself have made a soup of rhubarb leaves, put pebbles in it, and seen flakes of dissolved calcium immediately appear in the solution. A lot of the stone blocks that appear high up in the Andes mountains were actually poured there after being liquefied by rhubarb leaf juice. RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - John L - 11-20-2018 (11-19-2018, 10:38 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: It has been known for at least 20 years that "stone softening" and the construction of South American ancient walls was done using rhubarb leaves--which is high in oxalic acid, that dissolves calcium carbonate in rocks. I myself have made a soup of rhubarb leaves, put pebbles in it, and seen flakes of dissolved calcium immediately appear in the solution. A lot of the stone blocks that appear high up in the Andes mountains were actually poured there after being liquefied by rhubarb leaf juice. How about a link? I did a search of "rhubarb" and "Stone softening" and saw only one link back to a forum where stone softening was discussed. But the forum posts didn't give a link to this either. RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - WmLambert - 11-21-2018 Here's a link for removing Kidney stones and gall stones with Rhubarb juice: Does this count? RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - Canuknucklehead - 11-21-2018 A bit late for me, I had to have my gallbladder remove last July. RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - John L - 11-22-2018 (11-21-2018, 07:35 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Here's a link for removing Kidney stones and gall stones with Rhubarb juice: I guess it does. I'm about to read it, because all this stone softening has me intrigued. Rhubarb will probably have to do Until we definitively identify the plant that can dissolve the entire stone blocks to come up with something that can work fast, outside of surgery. RE: World's Greatest Mysteries......... - Ron Lambert - 11-22-2018 I first learned about the use of rhubarb leaves for construction in the Andes in a PBS program that aired a couple of decades ago. They detected traces of rhubarb in the stone blocks, and showed where they probably made the limestone/rhubarb slurry. Then they just needed forms inwhich to pour the blocks. Quote:AbstractLink: https://www.siftdesk.org/article-details/On%20the%20reddish,%20glittery%20mud%20the%20Inca%20used%20for%20perfecting%20their%20stone%20masonry/264 Note: Rhubarb leaves are very high in oxalic acid. Quote:There is now very little doubt about how the Ancients actually built these incredible structures and indeed, softened or perhaps melting the stone has always really been the only possible explanation. The ancient Mayans were indeed quite capable of producing very large quantities ofLink: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/archive/index.php/t-35579.html?s=48989cf8ce1d68336e1fff9df259573d The Incas and Mayans were pretty good chemists. RE: World's Greatest Mysteries(Stone Softening........) - John L - 02-05-2019 Here's another more recent video, by one of the contributors above. This is How They Built the Inca Stone Walls | Ancient Architects RE: World's Greatest Mysteries(Stone Softening........) - John L - 09-10-2019 Here's the latest, to date, on this extremely fascinating ability that the ancients learned and applied to stone working. I find this subject spellbinding, because I have always been interested in the ancients and their abilities to construct things that modern civilization can't even duplicate. I always wondered just how they were able to do this, or that, while experts of the time were unable to explain adequately. And too, it seems that there may well have been more than one independent discovery of how this process was used. But eventually, it all comes down to "Hydrofluoric Acid". Quote:Melting Stone With Plants: Was the Mythical 'Green Chisel' A Real Ancient Tool? RE: World's Greatest Mysteries(Stone Softening........) - John L - 09-10-2019 Did Ancient People Use Acid to Shape Stone? | Ancient High Technology | Ancient Architects RE: World's Greatest Mysteries(Stone Softening........) - WmLambert - 09-11-2019 Quote:... it is impossible to believe in a coincidence like that shown by myths, it is equally impossible to understand its path unless we rethink the past on very different terms. But this is another story to be investigated elsewhere. Not so. When everyone uses a mortar and pestle to smash vegetation into something cookable, it is not hard to realize that something that softens the stone you are working with will be noticed. What is hard to realize is someone chewing tree bark to cure a headache. |