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Royal astronomer: 'Aliens may be staring us in the face'

And laughing their (if they have them) asses off watching us.


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Buffy the vampire killer will get them. By the smirk on this guys face. I think he must be one of THEM.
I daresay that he's watched too much scifi or something.

Besides, if what he says is true I think it's probably a good thing that our signals are vanishing.... I don't think we're quite ready for some official visitors out there. :p

We have too much crap to deal with before we can even deal with aliens, you know? :p

Quote:By the smirk on this guys face. I think he must be one of THEM.

lol, he did look a little bit eerie there. :lol:
He makes valid points.
Any other life is likely to be billions of years more or less advanced than us. The Star Trek ideal of technological parity is not realistic.
Would we even recognzie creatures a bilion years more advanced?

We could be like ants living in the middle of New York City- unaware that we're surrounded by a civilization we cant even imagine.
He's rather vague about just what these aliens represent. And it is entirely possible that different environments could house different alien entities.

Of late, two prominent Sifi writers have addressed this question.

David Brin, In his first Uplift Series novel, entitled Sundiver, discusses life on the sun's outer surface.

Jack DeVitt discusses the Omega Clouds, which are intelligent roamers of the galaxy, destroying civilizations throughout the galaxy.

There has been a host of interesting speculation about unusual alien life, but to date, only on the pages of SiFi does it exist. Anyway, it's good speculation.
Armadillo Wrote:He makes valid points.
Any other life is likely to be billions of years more or less advanced than us. The Star Trek ideal of technological parity is not realistic.
Would we even recognzie creatures a bilion years more advanced?

We could be like ants living in the middle of New York City- unaware that we're surrounded by a civilization we cant even imagine.
yes, we would. unlike ants we have intelligence and question everything. unlike ants, technology helped us to overcome the restrictions of our perception and senses.
is it not quite unlikely that a civilization would last a billion years?
quadrat Wrote:yes, we would. unlike ants we have intelligence and question everything. unlike ants, technology helped us to overcome the restrictions of our perception and senses.
True, but humans are not as smart as we like to claim. Compared to a billion-year-old civilization we would be scum. They could do things we cant even imagine.
Quote:is it not quite unlikely that a civilization would last a billion years?
Why? Because ours probably wont?
If a civilization can outgrow it's childhood, and survive the various natural threats that face it, it can keep advancing.
Perhaps, but don't forget that over a billion years we'd no doubt change quite a bit.

Also, is "civilization" a good term to use? How long has any civilization lasted here on earth so far?

So, could a species continue to evolve over a billion years?
JohnWho Wrote:Also, is "civilization" a good term to use? How long has any civilization lasted here on earth so far?
What other term would apply?
civ·i·li·za·tion.
1. An advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached.

The western Roman Empire lasted 525 years. The eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) lasted 1475 years. I'm sure there may be more primitive human civilizations lasting thousands of years.
Modern humans have only been around for about 200,000 years.

Maybe civilization is just a quaint human idea that aliens have replaced with something better? Who knows.
Quote:So, could a species continue to evolve over a billion years?
We have the ability to modify our DNA now. A more advanced civilization could change themselves in any way they wanted. Evolution would be moot.
Armadillo Wrote:Why? Because ours probably wont?
If a civilization can outgrow it's childhood, and survive the various natural threats that face it, it can keep advancing.
intelligent life needs a purpose. after a billion years of growth, that would be to rearrange the universe. we would note this if it were going on.
note that some stuff like faster than light speed is fantasy, not sf. the light speed is the law of the universe. not carbon based life is fantasy as well. intelligent clouds. yeah.
Purhaps they are rearranging things, and we do note it but think it is natural.
We've only been studying the universe in depth for about 100 years. (Galileo, etc, were not in depth.)
For all we know the Pleiades star cluster could be some alien dudes wedding gift to his wife. We didnt see it formed.

Or maybe they leave the universe and go elsewhere.
Looking at his face, I'd suspect that he is a badly disguised alien himself. S2
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I've come to believe in the idea of a "parallel universe".
According to some theorys everytime a decision is made the time-line splits. Blue socks or white socks? The time-line splits and both happen in seperate universes.
There may be a universe where President Obama is not President.
There may be a universe where I can get layed. I know, that one may be a stretch.
An universe where you or I could be layed would be one where we would be women. Something beyond our imagination indeed.

Perhaps aliens are women who became intelligent after a one billion year evolution... Shock
Palladin Wrote:I've come to believe in the idea of a "parallel universe".
But with the same Bible! :o
Fred,

Yea,well I see it this way because I think that Bible teaches God and His universe are near,the traditional idea of "heaven" being a trillion miles away and all doesn't stand up to scrutiny scripturally.

So,yea,the same Bible. I'm only discussing the eternal continuum being close to the time continuum we live in today is all,not aliens and stuff like that,not from my angle anyway.
Where would all the energy come from to maintain a multiplicity of parallel universes? Once a certain number of alternate universes are created, the whole multiverse would have to implode, because all the energy would be used up.
If it would take a finite amount of energy to sustain one universe, and an infinite amount of energy to sustain an infinite number of universes.

However, it would be a finite amount for each universe and each universe would contain at least that which it needs.

Therefore, there must be a limitless amount of available energy spread throughout all of the universes.

Or, maybe not.

:?
As for different decisions splitting the time-line, a wandering time-patroller once told me that is not true. A decision is not quantifiable. It is or it isn't. It cannot be both. What causes splits are events that occur that have multiple results, like buttered bread falling. In our universe it always falls butter-side down. In the butter-up universe, Murphy does not reign supreme, so many doorways open into that same place.

That is the place where Ron visited that time he guessed a flipped coin correctly so many times. He could have stayed there, but then he did something stupid and had to cross back over.
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