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A car bomb exploded Thursday in a busy nightlife district, killing five people and injuring more than 40. The car bomb was believed to be Thailand's first. This is the most recent is a series of smaller attacks during the past year that has been blamed on Islamic separatists.

As usual, if there is any retaliation there will be consequences:
Quote: "The Muslim world is monitoring the developments in this region closely, and when they find that we are being ignored or sanctioned by the government then they will step in to help," said Abdulrohman Abdulsamad, chairman of the Islamic Council of Narathiwat.

The scale and organization of the violence has raised suspicions of foreign terrorist involvement. Thai authorities have acknowledged that the insurgents have had contacts with the regional terrorist organization Jemaah Islamiyah, but deny there is significant foreign influence. Although the thinly veiled threat from Abdulsamad tends to support the view that foreign terrorist organizations will soon be involved if not already.

Jemaah Islamiyah, the group believed to be responsible for this bombing, bombed nightclubs in Bali, Indonesia, in October 2002, killing 202 people, and the J.W. Marriott Hotel in Jakarta in August 2003, killing 12. The group is believed to be linked to al-Qaida. Well surprise, surprise, surprise, al-Qaida taking out the "threat" so prevalent in Thailand.

This should lay to rest the absurd thought that terrorism is only a threat to the US or other western countries that supported the US led war on terrorism. It's a global threat - just as the supporters of the war have been saying all along.
The good old UMMAH. Nah,this problem is caused by the evil Thai Buddhists,just like we cause Islamic terrorism elsewhere,ask the lefties of Europe,Canada and America.
Not quite, Palladin, and BTW, welcome back.

The conflict is a historic regional one, and the fact that the two conflicting parties are of predominantly Muslim and Buddhist faith respectively, doesn't help. It doesn't quite fit in the box of thinking some like to adapt globally whenever Islam is involved. Unfortunately, both foreign extremist Islam activists, as well as the Us media try to hi-jack these events for their purposes.

Note that the car-bombing happened in the deep South, as have all other incidences so far. It is, however, a concern that the conflict, i.e. 'terrorist' activities, will spread to other parts of the country.
Actually, Yohan is very knowledgable on this subject, he might comment if he comes across this thread. The provinces in Thailand's south used to be the Malay state of Patani.

I have discussed some aspects of this before, with some links, here some more reading material:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w...a/pulo.htm
http://www.sabrizain.demon.co.uk/malaya/kedah3.htm
http://www.sabrizain.demon.co.uk/malaya/kedah.htm

An 'Arab view':
http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=562
Published on-line yesterday, by ICG: Thailand: Insurgency, Not Jihad
Quote:The roots of the violence in southern Thailand lie in historical grievances and a pattern of neglect, discrimination, and efforts at forced assimilation on the part of governments in Bangkok going back almost a century. But historical grievances do not explain why the violence suddenly surged in 2004. For that, one part of the explanation is still missing -- hard evidence of who organised the January 2004 raids. Another part, however, is clear: miscalculations, inappropriate policy responses, excessive use of force, and lack of accountability on the part of the Thaksin government have turned a serious but manageable security problem into something that looks more and more like a mass-based insurgency.
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One can only assume that the groups responsible for the bombings and killings have an interest in a maximally heavy-handed government response precisely so that separatist -- if not jihadist -- sentiment is fuelled. It is up to the Thaksin government to break the cycle of violence by a measured response that addresses the security issue but also acknowledges the accumulated political grievances. It should hold intensive consultations with local community leaders in an effort to open a genuine dialogue. The February 2005 election showed that worsening violence and deepening alienation in the south had no effect on Thaksin's political fortunes. In the longterm, however, it may be Thailand more than Thaksin that suffers the consequences.
Muslims are ALWAYS being persecuted,NEVER is it the fault of a Muslim when they do evil things such as mass murder.

Yep,we already read that line before.
Have you read any of the links provided, or do you insist on ignoring historic facts which might challenge your narrow-minded, hate-fuelled view at the world?
Palladin Wrote:The good old UMMAH. Nah,this problem is caused by the evil Thai Buddhists,just like we cause Islamic terrorism elsewhere,ask the lefties of Europe,Canada and America.
We are also to blame for Tsunami's. Good aren't we?
eaglestrikes Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:The good old UMMAH. Nah,this problem is caused by the evil Thai Buddhists,just like we cause Islamic terrorism elsewhere,ask the lefties of Europe,Canada and America.
We are also to blame for Tsunami's. Good aren't we?

Komrade sTroll is harbouring a deapseated hatred for almost all things Jane, and ALL things John L. He will eventually get over it, one way or the other somehow. Wink1
Stoll, I don't think it is propaganda to presume that the instigators of an unexpected confrontation did it purposefully for political advantage. The sad thing is, the advantage may not be aimed at the locals who bear the brunt of the turmoil. If this is a part of the War on Terror, then this particular battle seems created and stoked by those who counted on an over reaction by the government.
John L Wrote:
eaglestrikes Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:The good old UMMAH. Nah,this problem is caused by the evil Thai Buddhists,just like we cause Islamic terrorism elsewhere,ask the lefties of Europe,Canada and America.
We are also to blame for Tsunami's. Good aren't we?

Komrade sTroll is harbouring a deapseated hatred for almost all things Jane, and ALL things John L. He will eventually get over it, one way or the other somehow. Wink1
One would expect a so-called moderator to contribute something on the subject at hand, instead of quoting baseless off-topic comments and initiating name-calling. :roll:

This is what makes Jane so tiresome, and almost impossible to have a discussion unless one shares the prejudices of the American rightwing. Wink1
Sorry, Stroll, but you are tunnel-visioned. You seem to have a personal agenda to see this forum fail - for whatever reason. You appear to only post reasonable posts in order to attract comments you can then pounce on.

For reasonable debate, the best I can offer you on this is what an honest poster could do in your place. If you chose to look at this as an attack, then I apologize - but it may do some good, so I offer it up anyway.

This particular thread about terrorism in Thailand does hinge upon historic issues, as you mentioned - but those historic issues are all connected with tribal culture and religious antagonisms that date back far beyond the individuals alive today - hence the violence has roots, but the roots are not the causes belli, the end-all and be-all. The vector of violence may be muslim-inspired, or not - and the debate about that can be very educational. Your links appear very carefully chosen to reflect a Point of view of other things than Muslim terrorism being at play. However Jedburgh's links were a little less subjective.
Jedburgh's link Wrote:as armed attacks have swept across the four Malay Muslim provinces of Pattani Narithiwat, Yala and Satun. In January, Islamic radicals carried out a series of near simultaneous attacks in the region, torching 21 schools, cutting off local communications and mounting a daring raid against a military camp that resulted in the seizure of over 400 firearms, including 380 M16s. More recently, on April 28, a series of clashes between Muslim militants and security forces left more than 107 people dead--32 of them in the famed Krue Se Mosque of Pattani--marking the bloodiest day of political violence in the Kingdom?s recent history. While the reasons for the escalating violence remain somewhat unclear, a combination of three factors seem to have been at play: a resurgence of local unrest; extremism instigated by outside forces and influences; and violence stemming from a confluence of vested criminal interests and official corruption.
Now the logical assumption is that since the Muslim militants are the perpetrators of the violence, and the government was seemingly unprepared to confront it, that outside influence wanted this confrontation, and the best bet is Muslim jihadists wanting to stir the pot.

True or not, that is a valid deduction to make from the events. When Palladin posted (rather acerbically) that such actions follow a trend of other Muslim fundamentalist agitation, and that such agitation is normally proclaimed to be noble rather than ignoble: "Muslims are ALWAYS being persecuted, NEVER is it the fault of a Muslim when they do evil things such as mass murder."

Acerbic or not, he has a point that can be fairly debated. The debate, however, left the bounds of decorum in your reply: "Have you read any of the links provided, or do you insist on ignoring historic facts which might challenge your narrow-minded, hate-fuelled view at the world?

Your problem is the inanity of your logic. Your links did not prove anything, and Jedburgh's links broadened the inquiry. You could have asked for Palladin's reasons for his comments, because you can surely see he has history on his side, more than you have from your posts. His comments did not stem from not reading your posts and "ignoring historic facts." On the contrary, his reactions to the posts were because of current international context.

For example, the easiest example of Mulims doing evil things and acting like it was someone elses actions that started things, is the recent untrue claims of Koran-flushing at Gitmo. Hundreds injured and 16 dead... and not a hint from the Islamic powers-that-be, that the reaction was unjustified - when at the same time, simply having the Holy Bible is considered a crime in their lands. Bibles are desecrated as a valid part of their faith, but their own Koran cannot be? The only logic is within Islam, and that is the genesis of the evil.
I am sorry if it appears to you like my links were "carefully selected", I simply gave some historic background rather than feeding the present "Arab terrorists against the free world" slant most members here prefer. Some links I took from Yohan's posts, others were googled, not much time invested to highlight or avoid anything. Since I live in Thailand, I am interested to put the record straight. It is not all about the US and Arab terrorists!

Sarcastic comments about "evil Thai Buddhists", the Tsunami, or "Komrade sTroll" contribute less than nothing and only reflect the bias of the poster.

This indicates how far removed from reality flag-waving yanks are: if it doesn't fit their distorted view, it is "subjective". Wake up!

At least you accept Jedburgh's links, I value his comments and links, too.
Sorry, I might unintentionally discredit you with this comment, Jedburgh.
stroll Wrote:I am sorry if it appears to you like my links were "carefully selected", I simply gave some historic background rather than feeding the present "Arab terrorists against the free world" slant most members here prefer. Some links I took from Yohan's posts, others were googled, not much time invested to highlight or avoid anything. Since I live in Thailand, I am interested to put the record straight. It is not all about the US and Arab terrorists!
No problem there. They are either accepted or not. Apparently not.

Quote:Sarcastic comments about "evil Thai Buddhists", the Tsunami, or "Komrade sTroll" contribute less than nothing and only reflect the bias of the poster.
Awww. Sarcasm. Darn. I was striving for innuendo. Never-the-less, it is true. We {America} were blamed for the Tsunami.
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This indicates how far removed from reality flag-waving yanks are: if it doesn't fit their distorted view, it is "subjective". Wake up!
The fact that you were unaware of the above shows how far removed from reality you are. Go to sleep. Somnambulism becomes you.

Quote:At least you accept Jedburgh's links, I value his comments and links, too.
Sorry, I might unintentionally discredit you with this comment, Jedburgh.
Nah. Need a hankie? :roll:
The best point to draw from Eaglestrike's post above, is that even apparently pejorative language is often perfectly correct - only seemingly offensive because the poster allows emotion to color the content.

A poster who refers to many of the outrageous statements coming from Muslim fundamentalists, may mock the statement by how it is presented - but such mocking does not make the content of the original Muslim fundamentalist statement any less abhorrent. For instance: Rushdie is ordered to be murdered by Islamic clerics for writing about Muhhamad. A writer noting that Muhammad had many wives and may easily have chosen one of the beauty contestants in the Miss World pageant as another wife is similarly ordered killed. Mass rioting tears apart the country and hundreds are injured or killed.

A single prisoner at Gitmo claims abuse in order to follow the dictates of the Islamic leaders. His story is recanted after his own fellow prisoners set the story straight. Months later the same story is resurrected by the New York Times and causes widescale riots and 16 dead over a known-to-be false claim made and cleared up months ago.

Commenting on these things is offensive to anyone's sensibilities, and the poster presenting it with an angry bias should not be unexpected.
Stroll's attempts notwithstanding,it's still a valid comment. Either all of us,including our left wing, atheist, secular humanists from Europe are EVIL,BRUTAL and cause Muslims to HAVE to act this way,or Islam teaches certain violent tendencies and we ought to use our brains when making these decisions.

Need I remind Mr. Stroll that Muslims also tend to murder Europeans when it fits their operating procedures at the time? Being an appeaser or useful idiot does not exempt one from Islamic justice.

I wonder what Joe Stalin would have done with men like Stroll had he been able to?
Quote:Stroll's attempts notwithstanding,it's still a valid comment
Nah. :lol: