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S.African addicts turn to AIDS medication to get high

By the way, here are some stats courtesy of Boortz:
* 227 patients with AIDS: 59% test HIV-negative. Lancet
* 122 patients with AIDS: 69% test HIV-negative, American Rev. Resp. Diseases.
* 913 patients with Aids: 71% test HIV-negative. Journal of AIDS
This supports what MV was saying some time ago: HIV is over reported in Africa. Evidently medical practitioners look at symptoms such as fever or weakness and diagnose HIV without doing a test, since the tests are too expensive. I had heard this before, but the above statistics, from reputable medical journals, give a better picture.
AIDS IN AFRICA
In Search of the Truth
By Rian Malan
Rolling Stone 22 Nov. 2001

This is a long read but well worth it.
That thing about malaria is way more interesting,it wouldn't be a problem if not for elitists in the USA whose decisions led to millions of dead Africans.

All liberals of course,those who "care" more.
Why are we sinking money into this continent?

I cannot fathom this after years of failures, and slippage back into the abyss. Why do we still bother with these countries?

Help em if you will, I guess, but my empathy for things is fast dwindling. Send leftists there, perhaps they may get butchered with machetes and eaten. A win-win scenario.
I like Africans myself and desire someday to visit,but I think most of our state to state assistance has been squandered.

Although there may be something to the idea that during the Bush years we have succeeded in helping real people because they love the guy. Bob Geldoff and Bono both say Bush has accomplished more there than all his predecessors combined.

Now,why do we do it? Because our foreign policy since 1946 has taken the view that we can sort of "prepare the ground"(I would say buy) for global partnership and we understand they will not eternally be bereft of talent and wealth. Someday Africa will become an important partner for someone,that's the thinking. In fact,during the cold war it already was hugely important due to specific resources.Plus,the western guilt angle drove a lot of it since 1947 as well.
The thing is that Africa holds much precious minerals, oil etc.

Africa can be rich by itself if only the income is more fairly distributed.

Nigeria is potentially a very rich country as an example. But many are still very poor in that country and need support by US and other countries. There is no reason that it has to be so.

/track_snake
track_snake Wrote:Africa can be rich by itself if only the income is more fairly distributed.

/track_snake

Somehow I suspect you are referring to the "social justice" routine, of egalitarianism, right T_S?
Africa's problems are a result of geographic and historical forces Africans, or Americans, have little control over. At the heart of the problems is political instability. During the colonial era, because Africa was resource-rich, European countries divided it up into colonies that had little basis on ethnic realities. Now, as a result, the foundation of most African countries is extremely unstable. Its hard to even begin to solve any of Africa's problems when the existing infrastructure is violently changing every few months.
Most of this is poppycock,if you happened to know for example 1 Nigerian who is past 40,you would know law and order has crumbled there only in the last 20 years. Zimbabwe has gone from wealth to utter disaster in only 25 years and in neither case is colonialism the cause.

It's a set of bad choices by the vast majority in each state that have led to instability,not borders drawn by Britain. Just 25 years ago the Congo was relatively prosperous,stable and peaceful,today it's a disaster.

Maybe African folks are just as capable as we were in 1776 to decide what their various affiliations should be. What a bizarre thought.
Palladin Wrote:Most of this is poppycock,if you happened to know for example 1 Nigerian who is past 40,you would know law and order has crumbled there only in the last 20 years. Zimbabwe has gone from wealth to utter disaster in only 25 years and in neither case is colonialism the cause.

It's a set of bad choices by the vast majority in each state that have led to instability,not borders drawn by Britain. Just 25 years ago the Congo was relatively prosperous,stable and peaceful,today it's a disaster.

Maybe African folks are just as capable as we were in 1776 to decide what their various affiliations should be. What a bizarre thought.

Nigeria's been plagued by civil war and territorial disputes since oil was discovered there. As for Zimbabwe, they could only be ruled by a dictator, and now that he's falling they'll most likely break out into the sort of ethnic struggles we see in Iraq.
Palladin Wrote:Although there may be something to the idea that during the Bush years we have succeeded in helping real people because they love the guy. Bob Geldoff and Bono both say Bush has accomplished more there than all his predecessors combined.
I think the only way Bush helped people was to boost their morale. Those folks had been scared witless by all the broughaha about AIDS, and he offered them some consoling hope. I doubt that any actual progress was made on HIV other than to enrich various bureaucrats. So, we can congratulate Bush for a foreign policy success at the grass roots level, but not for progress on disease treatment.

Who gives a RA about Geldorf and Bono?
John L Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:Africa can be rich by itself if only the income is more fairly distributed.

/track_snake

Somehow I suspect you are referring to the "social justice" routine, of egalitarianism, right T_S?
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Well, in some way you are right.

What I mean is that wealth is available in Africa. In terms of minerals, energy, etc.

But the distribution of wealth is poor - poorer than in the US or in Europe.

Yes, this is also the cause of internal conflicts like for example in Nigeria.

But its neighbor Ghana has a high level of prosperity in all layers of the population even without oil, so why can't Nigeria do something to its problems?

/track_snake
JT,

Their advice on our responsibilities I ignore,but these 2 at least had the integrity to state openly Bush was a good helper to Africa and that didn't increase their popularity.