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Oops, am I the only one who heared the news of the bold attack against that prisoner of war camp in Kandahar by Afghan Mujahedin that liberated more than 1,000 freedom fighters? Seems the fight against the foreign occupation is becoming more lively. Now let me guess, FOXNEWS reported nothing? :lol:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...47474.html
Quote:Kandahar locked down after Taliban's dramatic prison raid

Afghanistan's second city was in a state of emergency yesterday as police and armed forces struggled to co-ordinate an international hunt for more than 1,150 prisoners who broke out of jail in an astonishing Taliban attack.

At least 750 criminals and 400 Taliban inmates escaped on Friday night after a suicide bomber drove a water tanker full of explosives into the main gate of the prison in Kandahar. A second suicide bomber ran round the back of the compound and detonated a device against the prison wall on the other side, blasting a second escape route, while gunmen stormed into the ruins to attack the guards.

Officials said all the inmates escaped during the attack on Friday night. The Taliban claimed 30 men on motorbikes were involved in the assault.

At least nine guards were killed and 12 more were injured as militants bombarded the prison buildings with rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine-gun fire.

Nato troops hunkered down in a nearby base when they first heard the blasts, and by the time they arrived to try and secure the site with Afghan forces, all the inmates had gone.

Police launched house-to-house searches yesterday in a desperate effort to round up the fugitives, but security officials fear most of them are beyond capture. By last night, not one had been arrested.

Kandahar, in southern Afghanistan, is less than two hours' drive from the Pakistan border, where the Taliban have safe havens beyond the reach of Nato operations. Most of the 400 militants who escaped are battle-hardened veterans of the seven-year fight with international and Afghan forces.

The head of Afghanistan's prison service, Amir Mohammed Jamshed, said: "We don't think there were any big commanders. We are still looking into exactly who escaped."

Top-level commanders are usually jailed separately, in US military detention centres, or in the country's main prison in Kabul. But officials fear the footsoldiers will provide a welcome boost to the insurgents, who have suffered heavy casualties in recent years in fighting across southern Afghanistan.

The Taliban spokesman, Qari Yusef Ahmadi, said: "People are rejoicing and sacrificing sheep. They are welcoming our people into their homes."

Nato officials insisted they were ready to help the Afghan security forces with the search operation. And the Afghan agencies were finding it difficult to orchestrate a response yesterday, with police, soldiers and intelligence officials all competing for the lead.

Border guards were put on high alert, while Nato scrambled its spy planes, including unmanned drones, from nearby Kandahar Airfield, to search the desert outside the city for the missing prisoners.

Officials at the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) headquarters in Kabul insisted the attack would not boost the Taliban's battlefield capability.

The Isaf spokesman, General Carlos Brano, said: "It does not have a strategic impact. These guys who escaped from the prison are not going to change the operational tempo and they do not provide the Taliban with operational initiative."

But privately, soldiers warned it could easily lead to a surge in violence. The Canadian troops, who are the biggest international presence in the province, were braced for more attacks, which have claimed 11 lives so far this year.
Still, we defeated al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Taliban are still strong and will likely rule the country again one day(albeit, in a weaker position than pre-911), but creating a new government for Afghanistan never seemed to be a serious goal. The real goal - driving out al-Qaeda - was accomplished.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Still, we defeated al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Taliban are still strong and will likely rule the country again one day(albeit, in a weaker position than pre-911), but creating a new government for Afghanistan never seemed to be a serious goal. The real goal - driving out al-Qaeda - was accomplished.
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Well...

If the Taliban returns to rule in Afghanistan they will for sure invite Al Qaeda to come there again...

I don't see any big difference between Al Qaeda and Taliban...

/track_snake
Quote:I don't see any big difference between Al Qaeda and Taliban...
Neither do I.
There is no difference and running out 15- 50 men was not our strategy,preventing the rule of Afghanistan by jihadists is our strategy.

Very few ever knew Bin laden,let alone were card carrying members of the base.
They did the world a favour; now the troops can kill the escaped prisoners on sight.
Quote:Oops, am I the only one who heared the news of the bold attack against that prisoner of war camp in Kandahar by Afghan Mujahedin that liberated more than 1,000 freedom fighters?

The Mujihadeen don't exist. The Taliban and the Mujihadeen are not the same.

Quote:Seems the fight against the foreign occupation is becoming more lively.

lol. You guys and the media sit there hoping it's all going to fall apart, yet that statement is said so often it's lost all meaning. Meanwhile it gets better there every year. Yet every time there's a rocket attack losers love to scream "Eww! Taliban renewed Offensive!!". It's really quite pathetic.
It was a bold attack but so what? You hear it when they make a move but you don't hear a thing when they get killed by the score, Right? You seem to think you're on to something because no one else posted on this, but do you come running here to post when they're killed or captured in droves?

,,,no? So you're just a hypocrite then, yes?

Quote: Now let me guess, FOXNEWS reported nothing?


It was on CNN and every major news source but you wouldn't know that because you stick with the Independent....which is about as good as teh Sun or the Star....but don't let that stop you from a good rant. Just repack the bong and sit back reassured that you know everything.



Ahk
Ahkenaten Wrote:
Quote:Oops, am I the only one who heared the news of the bold attack against that prisoner of war camp in Kandahar by Afghan Mujahedin that liberated more than 1,000 freedom fighters?

The Mujihadeen don't exist. The Taliban and the Mujihadeen are not the same.

Quote:Seems the fight against the foreign occupation is becoming more lively.

lol. You guys and the media sit there hoping it's all going to fall apart, yet that statement is said so often it's lost all meaning. Meanwhile it gets better there every year. Yet every time there's a rocket attack losers love to scream "Eww! Taliban renewed Offensive!!". It's really quite pathetic.
It was a bold attack but so what? You hear it when they make a move but you don't hear a thing when they get killed by the score, Right? You seem to think you're on to something because no one else posted on this, but do you come running here to post when they're killed or captured in droves?

,,,no? So you're just a hypocrite then, yes?

Quote: Now let me guess, FOXNEWS reported nothing?

It was on CNN and every major news source but you wouldn't know that because you stick with the Independent....which is about as good as teh Sun or the Star....but don't let that stop you from a good rant. Just repack the bong and sit back reassured that you know everything.
Ahk
Well, the Russians killed Taliban a lot faster than you do and way more of them, a million or so, but alas, they grew back in larger numbers anyway. What makes you think your occupation and murder of civilians, and your puppet government of that Karzai will have greater success? Rather less, Islamism is stronger today. Granted, peace is not on your agenda there, you make money with wars.
Actually,the Russians just killed a whole lot of people indiscriminately and the Taliban didn't exist when the Russians got their communist tails kicked.

Looks like the great jail break has ended like WarBicycle predicted,now we killed most of them. Better than feeding them. Let them break this jail. Hats off to the Canadians and Afghans who trapped the evil ones and dispatched them efficiently this last week:

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Quote:Taliban 'swept from Kandahar area'

Hundreds of Taliban fighters have been killed or wounded after the group's forces were driven from all the villages around Afghanistan's southern city of Kandahar, the provincial governor has said.

"The Taliban have been cleared totally [by Afghan and Nato forces] from Arghandab district," Assadullah Khalid said on Thursday.

About 800 Afghan government troops, backed by hundreds of mainly Canadian Nato soldiers, fought the Taliban who seized seven villages three days ago.

Khalid said: "The Taliban have suffered hundreds of dead and wounded and many of their casualties are Pakistanis."

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahlbarra said: "If this is confirmed, it could further strain relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"Khalid said the forces have taught a lesson to Baitullah Mahsud [a tribal leader sympathetic to the Taliban] and Mullah Omar, leader of the Taliban.

"Some of the people here are returning to their farms as it is harvest season and they want to go back before everything is rotten. It is very quiet, for the moment."

Minor clashes

The Taliban "did choose not to fight" and there had been only minor clashes, said a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in Kabul on Thursday.

General Carlos Branco, the Isaf spokesman, said: "During the first 24 hours of operations, only small pockets of insurgents were encountered so only minor incidents occurred and some of them are still going on."

He said the incidents were "mainly exchanges of small arms fire and skirmishes."

Branco played down reports about the number of Taliban killed, adding they had "not engaged decisively, limiting their activity to small disruptive attacks".

"Our assessment is that if the insurgents are there they have not the numbers and the foothold that they previously claimed and, obviously, they did choose not to fight," Branco said.

'Dramatic changes'

He said Afghan and Nato forces "do not expect any dramatic changes in the behavior of the insurgents".

About 5,000 families have fled their homes in Arghandab's lush valley after Nato warned about the launch of the offensive, a provincial official said.

A Taliban spokesman said before the assault started that the the group had set its sights on Kandahar.

The al Qaeda-backed group is largely active in southern and eastern areas along the border region with Pakistan.

Canada just helped Afghanistan solve a logistic problem—less Taliban mouths to feed in its prison.
It is best to shoot first, and THEN ask questions. We are beginning to realize this now.
Good news but I knew it was coming. This is like watching a boring repeat.

We've seen this process a hundred times. The taliban get their blood up and do something dramatic (-- well actually usually its something small like an isolated rocket attack, a kidnapping or a roadside bomb, but admittedly the jailbreak was 'dramatic') and for a while the media and a few others hold their breath hoping this will be the big counter offensive.

Then they 'take over' an area and greatly exaggerate the extent of the 'take over' for propaganda and the media is all too willing to go along with that (after all they write most of their stories from the hotel room), but even then they must be embarrassed to be cought claiming to hold a town the media is actually in and can confirm that they're full of crap.

Then someone from NATO moseys up and sweeps them aside and that's it. We're done. And we don't hear jack about it until the next time they get the gut check to shoot off a rocket or three.

So where are the teaming masses of Afghans running to join them? To stifle the NATO counter attack? To swell the ranks of the mighty freedom fighting Taliban? Yeah that's right: nowhere that's where. The Afghans have to flee and we can only sit and hope NATO will clean the area quick enough that these poor people can get back to their farms and homes. Luckily this time it was only for a couple days and apparently very little damage (so far).


Quote:Branco played down reports about the number of Taliban killed, adding they had "not engaged decisively, limiting their activity to small disruptive attacks".

"Our assessment is that if the insurgents are there they have not the numbers and the foothold that they previously claimed and, obviously, they did choose not to fight," Branco said.
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A Taliban spokesman said before the assault started that the the group had set its sights on Kandahar.

Phffft. Yeah whatever. If you can't hold a shack you're not going to take Kandahar lozer. I sincerely hope this propaganda surge backfires on them. It's obvious who's in charge there. Any time they get together in numbers it signals their imminent demise.


Ahk
Ahkenaten Wrote:Phffft. Yeah whatever. If you can't hold a shack you're not going to take Kandahar lozer. I sincerely hope this propaganda surge backfires on them. It's obvious who's in charge there. Any time they get together in numbers it signals their imminent demise.


Ahk

I have always been a Huge skeptic of the power of the former Soviets/Russians. If you look at it in that context, and then project them in Afghanistan, and how they were run out. Now, just imagine Russia and the US getting into a shooting war. What do you think would be the outcome?
I dunno John but from when casualties are (knock on wood), 150 to zero...well ya gotta wonder who you're fighting here. I mean even a fighting retreat ought to produce coalition casualties.
Ahkenaten Wrote:I dunno John but from when casualties are (knock on wood), 150 to zero...well ya gotta wonder who you're fighting here. I mean even a fighting retreat ought to produce coalition casualties.

Years ago, as a young tank officer, I quickly realized that the Soviets were living on reputation only. They were a third world economy, with lots of marginal 'play pretties' and a poorly trained military.

And don't get me wrong, I love the Russian people. but the way the "System" works, is a perfect Rube Goldberg system, in which EVERYTHING takes three times the effort, three times the cost, and three times the theatre.
The Russian would have lost; a large percentage of its equipment was always unserviceable, they didn't have the West's logistic capability of delivering parts quickly. We weren't supposed to do it, but I always hoarded close to 150% spare parts before long deployments. I once had a Hurc deliver an antenna coupler via parachute in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. They dropped two in case one sank. Neither did, and I never returned the extra. My equipment was always serviceable and repairs were completed quickly because I always had the parts I needed.
Palladin Wrote:Actually,the Russians just killed a whole lot of people indiscriminately and the Taliban didn't exist when the Russians got their communist tails kicked.

Looks like the great jail break has ended like WarBicycle predicted,now we killed most of them. Better than feeding them. Let them break this jail. Hats off to the Canadians and Afghans who trapped the evil ones and dispatched them efficiently this last week:

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Well, Palladin, for your benefits a picture of Mujahedins.

[Image: mujahedin.jpg]

And here we have some Taliban.

[Image: story.taliban.jpg]

Do you see the differences?
quadrat Wrote:Well, Palladin, for your benefits a picture of Mujahedins.

[Image: mujahedin.jpg]

And here we have some Taliban.

[Image: story.taliban.jpg]

Do you see the differences?

If you look closely, at the top picture, you can see the unit citation of the UIF(United Islamic Front). And notice how relaxed they are, because they have the best leaders, such as Masood. In the bottom picture, you can clearly see that the people there are different. They are forced to line up, and are not ralaxed, because if they don't cooperate, they will be shot. Either that, or they are 'show troops'. :mrgreen:
What are you saying Quad? That all Afghans look alike to you?

It's really pretty easy to tell the difference between a Tali fighter and say a melon farmer. A Taliban will fire at you then run back to Pakistan, whereas an Afghan melon farmer will fire at you then hold his ground (until he realizes who you are).


Pretty easy really.




Ahk
The process Ahk described in Afghanistan happened in Iraq until probably the last 18 months. There were "Islamic republics of...." popping up frequently.

My own view always was over at IAP and here that those were GOOD because they caused a massing of the enemy for our firepower to kill.

IMO,these people would be wisest to simply blow up the ocassional IED and wait us out because we will lose patience eventually. If they desire a fight,we'll simply kill them. A wise person knows this by now.