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Quote:So much for God Wills It -Belgium's dwindling churches to be converted into mosques


Churches in Belgium are to be turned into mosques as Christian congregations decline while Muslims demand more places to worship.
Philip Heylen, Antwerp's deputy mayor, has called on the city to "break the taboo" over the many empty and unused churches.

"It's a looming issue yet it seems impossible to have a debate about this," he said. "Churches were built as places of worship and they should not be used as shopping malls. We've had a positive response from members of the Muslim community, which is open to the idea of converting them."

Antwerp has 36 mosques but many are located in old buildings that are too small or lack emergency exits. Meanwhile, the building of new mosques is sensitive in terms of planning.

However, some Antwerp Muslims fear that the scheme could heighten ethnic and religious tensions. "This is dangerous and will only lead to resentment," said one. "It's better to keep places of worship strictly separate."

Many of Antwerp's 80 churches were built in the mid-19th century during attempts by the Roman Catholic Church to engineer a religious revival.

Father Jan, at the Sint-Willibrordus Church, conceded that the pews are "far emptier than 50 years ago", but rejected the argument that Antwerp Christians are a dying breed.


No beliefs and no children.

Turn out the lights, the party's over, Vlaams Belang is just rearranging deck chairs on the you know what


Forty years of left wing governments have ruined Europe.
Well...

That is what I always said, that Europe will sooner or later become Muslim territory...

/track_snake
My only disagreement with Bicycle is it is the Christians that drove this,not the socialist governments. Here's how it works:

Christian begins to lose the honoring of God and His Word a little at a time,makes compromises along the way with secular think that contradicts Scripture or most often is simply more popular. Often it is side issues,sometimes it becomes the main issue.

How popular is John 3:16-21 or 3:35-36 today in America,let alone in Belgium? Let us examine if Jesus REALLY meant that. Nothing is that simple,earth shattering,clean and true,is it? Is God really so righteous and just He demands this of us? Let's re-think this and make a compromise with others who say Jesus is a fraud after all. Let's all be friends.

Parent teaches the child the compromises&"plausible explanations",child begins life as a Christian questioning this and that. Eventually,there is a plausible explanation for why the whole Bible is really just a nice book written by nice oldsters who wanted to create a nice or productive society. That's the secular line,it's what is taught in universities here in the USA. One of our posters is a big proponent of this theory.

At the end of the day,it is the Christian who sells out his Divine inheritance paid for by Christ Himself for popularity among the lost and being chic(mess of pottage,i.e. Esau). That watered down Christianity is no Christianity at all. It also is what animates socialist thinking as opposed to Biblical thinking.

If that's what I had been raised on,I would have vomited.

Me,I pray God kills me dead as a rusty nail if I EVER start down that path.

I guarantee,the Belgium atheists of today had grandparents of yesterday who had already begun this compromise path until the day arrived they lost their faith and raised their kids on the new faith,the zeitgeist.

The problem on earth is,it seems we Christians and our Jewish cousins are alone in the faith losing race,everyone else,to include a rebirth of earth worshipping paganism,Islam,Hinduism,Buddhism and a new assertive atheist secularism are on the march.
A steeple ----> minaret conversion may not be so expensive.
The Christians lost faith, the Muslims have it.
Is the god they worship the same?

What is the Muslim analog of John 3:16-21?
jt Wrote:Is the god they worship the same?

Supposedly but I have yet to see it.
JT,

The 5 pillars of Islam is their analogue. I don't know all of them. 2 are affirming Mohammad is God's messenger and you have to give alms and it may be 1 is go to Mecca IF you can afford it.

Anyway,the point is we tend to blame everything on externals and the fact is we as humans cause our own demise.
track_snake Wrote:Well...

That is what I always said, that Europe will sooner or later become Muslim territory...

/track_snake
Better than catholic, don't you think so? Has it ever occured to you that Catholicism leads to poverty? Countries with a Catholic majority are the poorest in Europe, America, Africa and also Asia. Just look at those Philipines.
You're right 'Q', the folks living in catholic countries in Euarabia have a long way to go to catch up the standard of living enjoyed by the following Muslim countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gaza Strip, Kyrgyzstan, Niger, Pakistan, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, West Bank, Yemen.
WarBicycle Wrote:You're right 'Q', the folks living in catholic countries in Euarabia have a long way to go to catch up the standard of living enjoyed by the following Muslim countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gaza Strip, Kyrgyzstan, Niger, Pakistan, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, West Bank, Yemen.
Gosh, you really surprise me with your outstanding knowledge of geography. It's just that not all of those countries are countries and others are not majority Muslim. The CCCP offsprings are more or less Muslim, but strictly secular. Pretty wealthy, actually. Own gas and oil. Albania is a lot better than Moldavia. Well, I guess they're orthodox there.
quadrat Wrote:Albania is a lot better than Moldavia.

Where is this coming from exactly? A WWII genetic memory plays out?
(The proud contributors to Skanderbeg are a lot better than dirty Vlachs)

Just wonder....

Incidentally, Ethiopia is Christian, even has its own separate Church from the beginnings....
mv Wrote:
quadrat Wrote:Albania is a lot better than Moldavia.

Where is this coming from exactly?

It is coming from Quadrat.

Didn't you see the sign he is carrying, "Irrational and Illogical phrases spoken here"?
track_snake Wrote:Well...

That is what I always said, that Europe will sooner or later become Muslim territory...

/track_snake
Well, if you are from a country that surrendered gladly every time somebody sent a rusty cannon boat and a platoon of troopers, and has foreign religions forced upon it all the time, and where's nothing left of a culture of its own, you might come to that conclusion. Yourself gonna be Muslims, no doubt.
Not however if you are European who have been dominating the world by their culture, technology, politics for hundreds of years. We invented and yield the ultimate weapon against the religious kooks of Christianity and Islam, atheism and secularism, the safeguards for the freedom of mind and individualism. There is no chance the Muslims could harm us in any way, we reprogram them to see things the way we do, Germanize the ones who stay, and the ones going back to their homes carry the seed of our European civilization with them, benefiting their nations. That's what the Turkish PM Erdogan of that religious AKP party bitterly complained about on his last visit to Germany.
I wonder why no one cares about the real threat coming from emerging powers such as India or China, whose assault of their alien cultures is backed by powerhouse economies in a not too distant future?