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So sayeth Carter.
That gives the Iranians a target to shoot at.

But, can the Israeli's deliver them to where it matters most?
I doubt Carter has a clue about this. Israel's enriched uranium came from France,they nuked up due to France's assistance pre 1960. The US Cia hasn't know much of anything,Carter likely was popping off to assist the Islamic propaganda campaign.

I wish he'd get some honesty and just say it,"I hate Jews"!

Instead,he's in a frenzy of globetrotting pseudo diplomacy to destroy Israel no one cares for,even the Hamas and Hezzbollah can see how useless he is to their cause.
Would not Carter's information be a little out of date?
If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.
TheMan Wrote:If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.

That's right! Be it just one, of one thousand, they are not the kind to throw them around, or even let others know that they even posess any. Great poker players.
Former presidents have the option of being briefed by the CIA every morning. I even think this is the same briefing Bush gets...
Even if carter could tell you which israeli had a nuke missile silo in his garage it still doesn't show me any relevance to anything.

Why is it even news other than that a former POTUS is blabbering things he probably shouldn't?
It would be interesting to see if Carter receives large funding from Muslim states or individuals. There has to be some underlying reason why he has such animosity toward Israel.
John, (BTW welcome back...) Haven't you noticed that Carter's new Habitat for Humanity Homes now sport minarets?
TheMan Wrote:If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.
My guess is that there is a real chance God would lose his chosen people for good if they nuked somebody.
quadrat Wrote:
TheMan Wrote:If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.
My guess is that there is a real chance God would lose his chosen people for good if they nuked somebody.

Of course they are not going to use them unless they have no other choice, you Genius! Are you stuck on Stupid today,................or what?
I know, same as your employment of nukes against Japan. They were about to defeat you, you had no other choice.
Didn't you new buddy TheMan use the ugly term 'retaliation'? Tells me a lot about your choices.
quadrat Wrote:I know, same as your employment of nukes against Japan. They were about to defeat you, you had no other choice.
Didn't you new buddy TheMan use the ugly term 'retaliation'? Tells me a lot about your choices.

You REALLY ARE Stuck on Stupid today, aren't you "Q"? They were not about to defeat us. G-d but you are so brilliant today "Q". Where do you come up with all this intellectual flatulance? Furthermore, the bombs were used so as to keep from accruing over 1,000,000 causalties with the invasion of their mainland. It was a good decision.

For your information, there were more Japanese killed in one night of bombing of Tokyo, with conventional bombs, than killed in either of the two nuclear bombs. Please try not to sit on your brains for awhile, so as to increase circulation. Wink1
Man,

You're right as John is,but men like Carter don't factor in nuances like evil and good. If Israel or the USA have nukes,so should Hitler,Stalin,Iran,etc.

It's moral confusion. America is running out the nose with it.
TheMan Wrote:If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.
My conclusion is that the Israelis are saving them for an all out war, and are using them as a guarantee against another united war by the Arabs against Israel. That is, the Israelis would nuke sufficient capitol cities and military sites in such a war as to make the war useless to the aggressors. That is why they put up with a few scuds: The use of one or two nukes would have been of marginal benefit and would have engendered even more world opprobrium of Israel than they now experience.
JT,

Might have been some more opprobrium towards Jews if Israel had nuked Baghdad,but it would have added a century of peace to their plate. Evil people don't like to die anymore than we do.
There must be a decent chance that the Israelis are considering some kind of nuclear attack on Iran, under the right circumstances. Just what it would take for them to do that is not entirely clear to me. But, defanging Iran would certainly seem to fit the criterion of "adding a century of peace" to their plate, since the bulk of anti Israel agitation now seems to come from Iran.
TheMan Wrote:If Israel has had nukes since the 70's didn't they show tremendous restraint when Saddam was raining scuds on them in Desert Storm. Why would anyone fear them more now when they're not being attacked by anyone. I don't understand the debate here. Israel doesn't provoke they just retaliate... heavily. Yet they have never unleashed a nuke in retaliation so why is everyone so worried.
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We all know that Israel had nuclear capability since the 70'ies. The Israeli nuclear program was unveiled by this guy whose name I have forgotten; was it Mordechai Vanunu? He had to spend some time in Israeli jails for that.

The Israelites know how to handle nukes with responsibility; that's it. They could have wasted them on Saddam if he continued but they counted on the Americans to handle the situation.

/track_snake
The deterent value of nukes is not in their use, but in the "Threat" of their use. Once you use them, the cat is out of the bag, and their threat value is over. That is why Israel uses plausable deniablilty first and foremost. YOu know they have them, they know they have them, and it keeps others from attacking them.

And who knows, perhaps they DON"T have nukes, and are using the threat to their advantage. Do you see the Huge value of 'perceived threat'?
John,

I do,it prevented Iran invading Iraq probably between the 91 debacle and 03.

I want to point out 1 historic inaccuracy here,it has been understood Israel has nuclear weaponry since 1960,not the 1970s. France supplied Israel with the materials,France broke with Israel hard in 1960.

France nuked up Israel. I'm glad they chose to.

As for the need to use them on Iran,forget it. Israel nor we will need to do that,Iran is a descending power,when will all the evidence be considered? This is not Germany at 1940,a better analogy is Germany 1918,though not a perfect one. Demographically,Iran is in the same boat Germany is in in 2008,losing population.

There is not 1 single piece of impirical evidence that Iran is an ascendant power. They have some minor success in Lebanon and only because Syria allows them to,if Syria annexed Lebanon as it historically was Syrian territory,Iran would be closed out rapidly. I think we should encourage Syria to resume their historic role and I bet Israel does as well.