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You might lose the Polish contingent in South Afghanistan. The country is rocked by a war crime case, seven troops are tried for killing civilians in a village were there were no Taliban. Could face a life sentence. Watched the case on TV today, an American commander called it an accident.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/28/e...sfrontpage
quadrat Wrote:You might lose the Polish contingent in South Afghanistan. The country is rocked by a war crime case, seven troops are tried for killing civilians in a village were there were no Taliban. Could face a life sentence. Watched the case on TV today, an American commander called it an accident.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/28/e...sfrontpage
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Well...

During warfare mistakes happen. It is of course regrettable but there is nothing to do with that now.

The multinational force in Afghanistan has a broader support than the mainly US force in Iraq so I doubt that the Poles will withdraw for this.

But I can understand that they don't feel too much for 'the war on terror' in Afghanistan. Why should exactly Poland be there?

/track_snake
I dunno - why shouldn't every Western country be waging war on Islamic terrorism and eliminating it's roots?

I guess it's one of those "It's not my problem" sort of things.

We don't have to be Dutch and Danish to see where letting radical Islam run unhindered (or just conservative Islam in general), will lead to. May as well start at the heart.
Typical Left Wing bullshit; these soldiers haven't had their day in court and they are already been judged guilty by the press.
Track,

Poland is a member of NATO,NATO's charter states if 1 state is attacked,all states are to act as if they were attacked. Poland is honoring her responsibilities in Afghanistan,some NATO signatories are not. Poland is wise to do so,we Americans have lost 500,000 DEAD helping liberate THEIR continent from Hitler,they realize the sacrifices of today are a tiny downpayment for the next time Russians or Germans get wise.

Turkey,Greece,Germany,Belgium,Spain,Italy have opted completely OUT of fighting,France is in,but way small effort for France's size, The UK,Canada,Denmark,Holland , USA and each of the new NATO members in the east PLUS Albania have fought as well as they can.

This article is typical bs,when Quad said there is "no taliban" in southern Afghanistan,I figured it was bs. We've faced the same deal in Iraq,the terrs fight in civilin cloths among civilians,if any innocents ARE killed,it is the fault of the Islamic terrorists.
Palladin Wrote:...This article is typical bs,when Quad said there is "no taliban" in southern Afghanistan,I figured it was bs. We've faced the same deal in Iraq,the terrs fight in civilin cloths among civilians,if any innocents ARE killed,it is the fault of the Islamic terrorists.
And if the terrorists ARE killed, they are as often as not then listed as civilian collateral damage.
Palladin Wrote:Track,

Poland is a member of NATO,NATO's charter states if 1 state is attacked,all states are to act as if they were attacked. Poland is honoring her responsibilities in Afghanistan,some NATO signatories are not. Poland is wise to do so,we Americans have lost 500,000 DEAD helping liberate THEIR continent from Hitler,they realize the sacrifices of today are a tiny downpayment for the next time Russians or Germans get wise.

Turkey,Greece,Germany,Belgium,Spain,Italy have opted completely OUT of fighting,France is in,but way small effort for France's size, The UK,Canada,Denmark,Holland , USA and each of the new NATO members in the east PLUS Albania have fought as well as they can.

This article is typical bs,when Quad said there is "no taliban" in southern Afghanistan,I figured it was bs. We've faced the same deal in Iraq,the terrs fight in civilin cloths among civilians,if any innocents ARE killed,it is the fault of the Islamic terrorists.
Crap, all of it. No Nato state has been attacked, WTC was a case of crime, not war. Not committed by Afghan folks, BTW. I said there were no Taliban in that village.

Considering, didn't Donald Duck promise to withdraw the Poles from Afghanistan, anyway? Another empty campaign promise?
Palladin Wrote:Track,

Poland is a member of NATO,NATO's charter states if 1 state is attacked,all states are to act as if they were attacked. Poland is honoring her responsibilities in Afghanistan,some NATO signatories are not. Poland is wise to do so,we Americans have lost 500,000 DEAD helping liberate THEIR continent from Hitler,they realize the sacrifices of today are a tiny downpayment for the next time Russians or Germans get wise.

Turkey,Greece,Germany,Belgium,Spain,Italy have opted completely OUT of fighting,France is in,but way small effort for France's size, The UK,Canada,Denmark,Holland , USA and each of the new NATO members in the east PLUS Albania have fought as well as they can.

This article is typical bs,when Quad said there is "no taliban" in southern Afghanistan,I figured it was bs. We've faced the same deal in Iraq,the terrs fight in civilin cloths among civilians,if any innocents ARE killed,it is the fault of the Islamic terrorists.
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Yes. But I think Poland is a little bit divided over the NATO membership. As I said, it will probably be ruled that it was a mistake that happened and the sentences for those soldiers will be rather mild. Poland is indeed fulfilling its NATO obligations but the Polish people probably don't feel to much for 'the war on terror' as it is nothing that ever affected them. Poland is also 100% Catholic and has practically no Muslim immigrants.

/track_snake
Track,

Assume you're right and Poland is "divided over NATO". So what? the nation is a member state,if the people have any honor and they DO,they fulfill their legal obligations,unlike Germans,Italians,Spaniards ,Turks and Greeks.

Simple as that,I guess you find upholding a legal obligation is a questionable way to conduct business?
Palladin Wrote:Track,

Assume you're right and Poland is "divided over NATO". So what? the nation is a member state,if the people have any honor and they DO,they fulfill their legal obligations,unlike Germans,Italians,Spaniards ,Turks and Greeks.

Simple as that,I guess you find upholding a legal obligation is a questionable way to conduct business?
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No. I said above that Poland is 'indeed upholding its NATO obligations'. But what I think is that the population as such is a little bit divided over NATO. As you know, Poland was earlier a member of the Warsaw Treaty and 'fulfilled' its obligations within that.

They are 100% Catholic and there are almost no Muslims living in their country. But now they are exposed to bombs and Muslim hatred when in Afghanistan.

/track_snake