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How many times have you heard the msm say al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion or there have never been any ties between Saddam Hussein and bin Laden? Watch this video and see for yourself how the msm manipulates the facts.


Why don't you run that by the Grizz, and see how much of an intellectual 'hum' you receive? *


*That's a tube audio thing. Tube amplifiers that have a little age on them(ie, tubes worn, caps brittle) they tend to have some low level hum. S6

BTY, I'm into tube audio. Wink1
I haven't worked as a maintainer for over twenty years, when I was a tech a vacuum tube amplifier was far superior to a solid-state amplifier. I was one of the last operator/maintainers in the Canadian Navy; they stopped cross-training us to cut down on expenses. Abuse of equipment rarely happened when we were cross-trained, but skyrocketed when operators with no technical background were let loose in the communications centres.
Warbicycle,
you must be mad to warm over manure that is ten years old. :lol: That video is speculation from 1999 and probably served to fake the justification of the American invasion of Iraq. However, as it turned out to be, Saddam didn't want a link with Muslim radicals seeing them as a danger for himself, and all the lies such as this video turned out to be manufactured.
Here's some more speculation for you 'Q'.
WarBicycle Wrote:How many times have you heard the msm say al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion or there have never been any ties between Saddam Hussein and bin Laden? Watch this video and see for yourself how the msm manipulates the facts.


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Al Qaeda was of course present in Iraq also, but to a minor extent. You cannot say that there were no ties at all between Saddam and Osama, but there were maybe not more than between Mubarak and Osama.

Or you could say that they were of no significance. No reason to start a war anyway. As is pointed out by others, Saddam disliked Al Qaeda for various reasons.

/track_snake
As the video said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Saddam sheltered the biggest and most notorious of terrorists on a continuing basis. He did have programs of WMD, and stockpiles of them to give to others to use against his enemies.
WmLambert Wrote:As the video said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Saddam sheltered the biggest and most notorious of terrorists on a continuing basis. He did have programs of WMD, and stockpiles of them to give to others to use against his enemies.
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Yes, yes, yes...

He had a program of WMD:s. But he scrapped it long before the US-led invasion. He did not harbor terrorists in significant numbers in Iraq prior to the US-led invasion either.

The thruth is that there were no evident reasons for an invasion. Or like Mr. Blix, head of the UN-led inspectors, recently said: It seems like oil was the reason...

/track_snake
Track,

You are not reading the report,he had so many associations with various Islamic terrs it is hard to keep account of them. can you not read?
Palladin Wrote:Track,

You are not reading the report,he had so many associations with various Islamic terrs it is hard to keep account of them. can you not read?

It is not that he Cannot read Patrick. It is that he Will Not Read. Wink1
John L Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:Track,

You are not reading the report,he had so many associations with various Islamic terrs it is hard to keep account of them. can you not read?

It is not that he Cannot read Patrick. It is that he Will Not Read. Wink1
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He must not read if it is false information...

/track_snake
track_snake Wrote:
John L Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:Track,

You are not reading the report,he had so many associations with various Islamic terrs it is hard to keep account of them. can you not read?

It is not that he Cannot read Patrick. It is that he Will Not Read. Wink1
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He must not read if it is false information...

/track_snake

And it is "false information" because you say so? Do you see where I am heading, or is this too merely 'false information"?
If you don't read something, how do you know what it contains much less whether the information is false or not?

Track, do you use this same reasoning with AGW stuff?
scpg02 Wrote:If you don't read something, how do you know what it contains much less whether the information is false or not?

Track, do you use this same reasoning with AGW stuff?

As my ex once stated, "Don't confuse me with the facts. I've got my mind made up!" Does that sound familiar?
Track,

Read the report based on 600,000 documents of saddam's,why would you discount that as invalid??? Do you think you out of thin air know better????
WarBicycle Wrote:Here's some more speculation for you 'Q'.
My dear Warbicycle,
I suggest you read the stories properly, because this one really does not assist this pathological Islamophobia of yours. A couple of excerpts of the statements of this Al-Magid,
Quote:Al Qaeda and groups like them are cowards and criminals
That's what we've been saying all along. And that one doesn't fight criminals with bombs, or the army in general. Ones deploys the police.
Quote:I am Muslim and very proud to be, but there are criminals like Osama Bin Laden who have hurt the Muslims who only want to have a family, have medical and educational systems for their children, and live in peace.
One must add that you and the criminal Bin-Laden have the precisely same agenda, that's hurting Muslims who don't want to live the way you do.
Quote:Many Muslims in Iraq and other countries fear Al Qaeda just as much as Christians and the Jewish people do.
I wouldn't know where and when Bin-Laden ever expressed hate against the Jews? The part about Muslims and Christians is ok.
Quote:The Muslim people I was raised with do not want to fight anyone. They want their children to live peaceful lives and are afraid their children will someday be attacked by terrorists. Islam is peace. As we learned from the Quran: is someone kills one person (doesn't says just Muslim which means all human beings whether Christian or Jew) it is as if he killed all of humanity -- and he who helps to give life to one person helps all human beings.
Mmh. Are you not one of the kooks who claim the whole religion of Islam is warmongery? Al-Magid doesn't share your stance.
Quote:Many Americans do not understand that most Imams in the U.S. are trained in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia does not respect Americans and the Islamic scholars (and Universities) educate their young people to hate Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do not follow the Salafist (Wahhabi) beliefs. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan also distribute most of the violent material against America. This material can be found in Wahhabi mosques, but America allows this to happen even when it is brought to the attention of law enforcement.
Why did you say you are in Iraq, if the terrorist were and are bred in SA and Pakistan? Oh, let me tell you, the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with them contributing to terrorism, and you assists SA and Pakistan to breed more terrorists instead of curbing it.
Palladin Wrote:Track,

Read the report based on 600,000 documents of saddam's,why would you discount that as invalid??? Do you think you out of thin air know better????
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Well...

It is mere speculations, and it is even stated in the video as 'what might Saddam offer to Bin Ladin'.

There is much more evidence suggesting that Saddam had the reason to hate Al Qaeda as their goals were not identical with the goals of Saddam and the Baath party.

Al Qaeda and Bin Ladin found shelter in Sudan and in Afghanistan as we all know. And the Talibans emerged as the most 'symphatetic' of Bin Ladin...

There is not much substance in the Saddam/Bin Ladin connection. Far from being a reason to start a war. As many have suggested, oil was the real reason...

/track_snake