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Watched a great documentary with that name recently and can only recommend it, though it's 45 minutes long.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/showdown/view/

here are the interviews

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...temap.html

It's about the missed chances to ally Iran with America in the aftermath of 9/11, which was condemned by the Persians, and Anti-Americanism, the pillar of their politics for more than 20 years, diminished for some time. Iran battled Al Queda as Sunni-terrorist organisation, provided support for the Northern alliance in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban and Al Queda, provided support for the USA invading Afghanistan.
Iran proposed to the US to put aside the differences in 2003, ignored by the Bush administration. Why? Because the policy of this US administration is to create oversea wars, facilitate increased defence spending, and the destruction of domestic civil liberties of Americans. We all know the lies of president Bush (here especially where Persia and it's arsenal of nucular weapons are concerned), I don't have to elaborate on that any further.
Consequently, the hardliners of Iran got the upper hand again, Ahmedinedjad was elected and Anti-Americanism is back with a vengance.
Interesting theory they're having, regarding Al Queda as an American outlet, (it's been created by America anyway), helping to facilitate wars on foreign states. Yep, I share this opinion, Osama is an appreciated partner of American policies even if not everybody of you realises that, do you Palladin?
One conclusion drawn by this documentary was, that the Bush administration abviously couldn't foresee that the Shia of Iran and Iraq would ally.

Learned about an interesting Iranian terror organisation that has been fighting first the Shah and Westerners, and later the Mullahs for decades, by terror acts such as suicide bombings. Quite a long list of victims. MEK. Ever heard of them? Well, today they are based in Iraq and run by the Americans for terror acts and clandestine operations against Persia. Had their home there under Saddam already, also no friend of the Mullahs. The region is a quagmire of constantly changing allegiances, but I was surprised to learn that this particular terror organisation had been for some time Marxist, and for this reason opposed the Islamic revolution. Still have the symbol of the abandoned ideas.

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Their stance was "a progressive interpretation of Islam, according to which elections and public suffrage are the sole indicators of political legitimacy. According to their publications, the Word of God and Islam are meaningless without freedom and respect for individual volition and choice. Their interpretation of Islam the Quran says that the most important characteristic distinguishing man from animals is his free will. It is on this basis that human beings are held accountable. Without freedom, no society can develop or progress. Although its leaders presents themselves as Muslims, the PMOI describes itself as a secular organization: "The National Council of Resistance believes in the separation of Church and State."

Nice, but where do bombings fit in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen-e_Khalq
The problem is the storyline is false. I believed it myself once. We now know Iran has been working with al qaeda for a decade. Iran is a wise bunch of folks,worldly wise,we aren't and stories like this are for the ignorant.

Iran has worked directly with Sunni terror groups for quite some time and we see this association with Hezzbollah and Hamas as another example.

What you don't factor in is how much evidence we've garnered since 9-11 from detainees. Also,the MEK storyline is also false. MEK was detained as soon as we arrived in Iraq and has never been allowed to leave their camps. We did refuse to deport them to Iran,but beyond that MEK is a non story since 2003 and apparently not much of one before then,we didn't read of serious damage done to Iran by them.
Palladin Wrote:The problem is the storyline is false. I believed it myself once. We now know Iran has been working with al qaeda for a decade.
Yep, Palladin, Iran has also been working with Sauron. Is there no lie too stupid for you to believe? Wink1
Quad,

I'd say you're the one purveying lies around here,not I. Quad,we know Iran has been the "Moscow" of the Islamic terror movement now. Shiite and Sunni are meaningless,they armed the Sunni groups with EFP's in Iraq who were slaughtering the Shiites for heaven's sake!

There is a lot available on the net. We know Zarqawi was in Iran for example,he who hated shiites most extreme,but they used him against the number 1 enemy.

If I run back into an article on it I'll post it,you';re the one falling for nonsense. Iran,no more or less than Stalin or Hitler does not desire any positive relationship with freedom loving peoples,only to hoodwink us like you desire to.
I think you answered my question satisfyingly.
I think you got tired or saw a 12 year old Thai girl!
They always do Q, when you give them enough rope.
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Iran is totally surrounded by US forces, how long do you think it would take for the country to fall.?
WB, could you link to the map please? I'd like to see it in bigger form. Wink1
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One of the many good reasons to stay and prevail in Iraq is to keep a large group of our soldiers stationed right next to Iran,same with Afghanistan. There are others,but maintaining a serious threat to Iran's integrity is a great reason.

Here's an article that takes the opposite view of those who think Iran rules Iraq now. Looks to me like Iraq rules Iraq:

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Iran has to be wary of Iraq's well-trained army, the last time they fought it was against Saddam’s poorly trained army. The Iranian government will probably be overthrown in the next five years.
Iraq will ultimately be a force for good on earth,watch and see. That Army will be the best Arab Army there is. Second to the iDF and Turkey only in the region,top Arab Army,IMO.
WarBicycle Wrote:[Image: irandy5.th.jpg]

Iran is totally surrounded by US forces, how long do you think it would take for the country to fall.?
Forever. :lol: You lack the resources to defeat them, little Iraq is already destroying your economy. Persia's 3 times larger, more mountainous, and three times the population of Iraq. Unlike in your warped reception, the Persians are quite content with their way of life and would do more to defend it than the Iraqis did. You can't defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, what makes you think the 100 times more powerful Persians are an easy prey? And what makes you think a majority of Americans would like to indulge in your silly war games?
Palladin Wrote:One of the many good reasons to stay and prevail in Iraq is to keep a large group of our soldiers stationed right next to Iran,same with Afghanistan. There are others,but maintaining a serious threat to Iran's integrity is a great reason.

Here's an article that takes the opposite view of those who think Iran rules Iraq now. Looks to me like Iraq rules Iraq:

HERE
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Anyhow Iran rules Iraq more than during the Saddam regime... Due to the Shiite takeover in Iraq.

Of course Sunnis are protesting the Irani leader. Many still support Saddam and the causes for war with Iran.
quadrat Wrote:
WarBicycle Wrote:[Image: irandy5.th.jpg]

Iran is totally surrounded by US forces, how long do you think it would take for the country to fall.?
Forever. :lol: You lack the resources to defeat them, little Iraq is already destroying your economy. Persia's 3 times larger, more mountainous, and three times the population of Iraq. Unlike in your warped reception, the Persians are quite content with their way of life and would do more to defend it than the Iraqis did. You can't defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, what makes you think the 100 times more powerful Persians are an easy prey? And what makes you think a majority of Americans would like to indulge in your silly war games?

No need for war all they need do is starve them into submission.
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Yes, unpopular regimes always fall from within. There has been a strongly repressed anti-government movement within Iran. If it reaches a spark point, where it can sustain itself against the mullahs (Ahmadinejad answers to them) then the country will join the modern world and leave the ignominy of the third world.
Iran doesn't rule Iraq at all,that is utterly an ignorant statement. How the HELL could Iraq be in negotiations with the USA for permanent US Bases in Iraq if Iran "ran" Iraq?

That is an IGNORANT statement. Repeating it 10X daily doesn't change that fact.

Sorry to be so harsh,but your determination to speak ignorantly just bugs me. Of course Shiites have more say in Iraq now,they make up 60% of Iraq,but that does not translate to Iranian rule anymore than America rules France cause we both have some Christians.

Gives us one iota of evidence Iran has caused Iraq to do something we severely dislike?
Palladin Wrote:Iran doesn't rule Iraq at all,that is utterly an ignorant statement. How the HELL could Iraq be in negotiations with the USA for permanent US Bases in Iraq if Iran "ran" Iraq?

That is an IGNORANT statement. Repeating it 10X daily doesn't change that fact.

Sorry to be so harsh,but your determination to speak ignorantly just bugs me. Of course Shiites have more say in Iraq now,they make up 60% of Iraq,but that does not translate to Iranian rule anymore than America rules France cause we both have some Christians.

Gives us one iota of evidence Iran has caused Iraq to do something we severely dislike?
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Just to accept Ahmedinejad's visit and giving him the red carpet was something the Americans disliked.

/track_snake
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