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Quote:Prince Harry in Taleban fighting

Prince Harry has been fighting the Taleban on the front line in Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

Harry, 23, who is third in line to the throne, has spent the last 10 weeks serving in Helmand Province.

"I finally get the chance to do the soldiering that I want to do," the prince said before he left.

The deployment was subject to a news blackout deal, but broke down when leaked by foreign media.

Chief of the General Staff Sir Richard Dannatt, who is head of the British Army, said he was disappointed the news had leaked.

In a statement, he said: "I am very disappointed that foreign websites have decided to run this story without consulting us.

"This is in stark contrast to the highly responsible attitude that the whole of the UK print and broadcast media, along with a small number overseas, who have entered into an understanding with us over the coverage of Prince Harry on operations."

'Bullet magnet'

In an interview in Helmand Province, Harry - a member of the Household Cavalry - talked about life as a soldier on the front line.

"I haven't really had a shower for four days, I haven't washed my clothes for a week.

"It's very nice to be sort of a normal person for once, I think it's about as normal as I'm going to get.

"I am still a little bit conscious of the fact that if I show my face too much in and around the area - luckily there's no civilians around here because it's...a no-man's land.

"But I think that if, up north, when I do go up there, if I do go on patrols in amongst the locals, I'll still be very wary about the fact that I do need to keep my face slightly covered just on the off-chance that I do get recognised, which will put other guys in danger.

"The Ghurkas think it's hysterical how I am called the 'bullet magnet', but they've yet to see why."

The deployment comes after the prince's planned tour to Iraq last year had to be cancelled because of a security risk.

Speaking ahead of the tour, Harry spoke of his relief over the mission.

He said he felt: "a bit of excitement, a bit of phew, finally, [to] get the chance to actually do the soldiering that I wanted to do ever since I joined really."

The Prince of Wales's communications secretary, Paddy Harverson, said: "Prince Harry is very proud to serve his country on operations alongside his fellow soldiers and to do the job he has been trained for."


Unlike Al Gore who spent 90 days in Vietnam with bodyguard arranged by his father, British Royals have a history of pulling their weight in time of war.
WarBicycle Wrote:"I haven't really had a shower for four days, I haven't washed my clothes for a week."

Great hero, I know some heroes of this sort.
Three similar heroes in common tank - it's a feat without chances to survive.
Really,I admire Harry,but Drudge had no business releasing this,now he must be removed from the theater. I would like to have known after his tour,not now.
WarBicycle Wrote:Unlike Al Gore who spent 90 days in Vietnam with bodyguard arranged by his father, British Royals have a history of pulling their weight in time of war.
Didn't we have a thread recently that was supposed to prove how dumb the royal family of UK is?
...Unlike the coward Bush who deserted the Vietnam war by going to the NG. Unlike the cowards in the U.S. parliament, most of whom agitate for more wars but only a single one of the some 500 MP's has got a relative in Iraq, according to Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11.
Don't ever believe anything from Michael Moore. There were more relatives serving in Iraq and Afghanistan from the families on Capitol Hill than the norm from the rest of the population.

Also, During the Vietnam War, the Air National Guard was likely to be called up to go there as any other soldier. At the time, Bush went to the ANG and John Kerry went to the Naval Reserves - which at the time he signed on - was far less likely to serve there. The engagement rules were rewritten as he was serving in a "soft" position, which made swiftboats, which were not used inland in brown waters, at all. Bush volunteered to the Guard which was expected to fly in Vietnam, but the war started to wind down, and the planes he was trained on taken off line.

Cowardice was never in question. Bush signed up, ready to serve, trying to follow the war hero status of his father and the family tradition.

The Vietnam war was not popular. The people at the time believed their media would not lie to them, but it did.
Harry on the press ...
Quote: ...it's nice to be away from all the press and the papers and all the general s..(expletive) that they write.

The guy that leaked the story (and put troops at risk) should get a mandatory embedded assignment in Afgh. Or at least have some foreign object embedded ...
William,

Come on. If Bush wanted to fly in Vietnam,he joins the AF or Navy,not the reserves or NG. Don't try to win an argument with that man's case. He avoided combat like most kids did back then,only he had a well placed father who may have been able to assist him.

Millions and millions did,I wanted to(ended up not having to),I admit it,this man is not a heroic man,stop with this nonsense.
Sorry, Palladin I was there at the time - and the ANG was a stepping stone to combat - not a way out. There were hundreds of ways to avoid combat had he wanted to - and he did not avail himself of any of them. The ANG was not a way to avoid combat. I was in the same position - and wanted into the war as an aviator, too, by way of the Marine Aviation curriculum at Annapolis. I wasn't stupid, and didn't want to die - but that seemed a good way of participating without putting crosshairs on my chest. Many of my high school friends died there, but none at the time walked away. This was during the draft, and everyone knew they had a good chance of going. The best and the brightest looked for some way of helping without becoming cannon fodder. This may be a fine point - but those who wanted no part of it moved to Canada, became conscientious objectors, or wrangled 4F-status from a complicit doctor.

Bush was a target of politics of personal destruction. The Dems threw November surprises right and left - and it is surprising to me you have not seen through them.
William,

If he wanted to fly in Vietnam,he would have joined the Navy or the AF.

That's the end of the debate with me.
Sorry, again, Palladin, but one was not guaranteed getting into the Naval or Army as aviators. Back then, there was a premium on foot soldiers, and if your grades weren't high enough, you were given a backpack and a few extra pairs of socks. National Guards were called up, so the reserves was not a safe haven. The good thing about the ANG was their guarantee of aviation school before enlisting.

Also, please forgive the many young men back then who did not want to fight in a war they thought was wrong. Many showed courage by resisting - and were not cowards. The disinformation was so dense that nobody knew right from wrong - and the prevailing feeling from most draftees at the time was that going to Vietnam was a very bad idea. Some were tremendously brave - there are many who refused to ever pick up a weapon, but distinguished themselves as medics and such - some receiving the Purple Heart or worse and the deserved honor of their country by their heroic service. But they refused to fight all the same.

It may be difficult to understand now, but cowardice was not the driving factor you assume it was.
I notice that dear 'arry has been brought back home to grannie's loving arms because now they know he was there is Afghanistan playing soldier.
WmLambert Wrote:Sorry, Palladin ... This may be a fine point - but those who wanted no part of it moved to Canada, became conscientious objectors, or wrangled 4F-status from a complicit doctor....

For every American who went north to Canada to avoid Vietnam, one Canadian or more went south of the border and volunteered to serve with the American forces.
WmLambert Wrote:Don't ever believe anything from Michael Moore. There were more relatives serving in Iraq and Afghanistan from the families on Capitol Hill than the norm from the rest of the population.

Also, During the Vietnam War, the Air National Guard was likely to be called up to go there as any other soldier. At the time, Bush went to the ANG and John Kerry went to the Naval Reserves - which at the time he signed on - was far less likely to serve there. The engagement rules were rewritten as he was serving in a "soft" position, which made swiftboats, which were not used inland in brown waters, at all. Bush volunteered to the Guard which was expected to fly in Vietnam, but the war started to wind down, and the planes he was trained on taken off line.

Cowardice was never in question. Bush signed up, ready to serve, trying to follow the war hero status of his father and the family tradition.

The Vietnam war was not popular. The people at the time believed their media would not lie to them, but it did.
Don't ever believe anything from WmLambert. :lol: According to 'Forest Gump', there was a corps established in the Vietnam War with folks of extraordinary low IQ. Don't know whether it's true, but if so, how in hell did Bush escape them?
quadrat Wrote:Don't ever believe anything from WmLambert. :lol: According to 'Forest Gump', there was a corps established in the Vietnam War with folks of extraordinary low IQ. Don't know whether it's true, but if so, how in hell did Bush escape them?

He was too busy getting 'dummy' degrees from Yale, and then Harvard. Didn't you know that "Q"?
John L Wrote:
quadrat Wrote:Don't ever believe anything from WmLambert. :lol: According to 'Forest Gump', there was a corps established in the Vietnam War with folks of extraordinary low IQ. Don't know whether it's true, but if so, how in hell did Bush escape them?

He was too busy getting 'dummy' degrees from Yale, and then Harvard. Didn't you know that "Q"?
I do. Papa's money bought the degrees. Even they

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can make it to Harvard and Yale if the funding's there, and junior looks better on the outside. How could you conservative folks, so much in love with economic success and profits, elect this multiple business failure?
And speaking of business failures, just when was it that you were forced to make this mad dash to Thailand?
The British aren't very good at this war propanda stuff. They show Harry blazing away with a 50 cal machine gun or whatever it was, at obviously nothing, completely exposed to enemy fire, as if, with a worried look on his face cause the recoil and noise is scaring him, and the press is obviously there with the cameras rolling. Does anybody really buy this pap about the boy soldier playing war?
gray ghost Wrote:The British aren't very good at this war propanda stuff. They show Harry blazing away with a 50 cal machine gun or whatever it was, at obviously nothing, completely exposed to enemy fire, as if, with a worried look on his face cause the recoil and noise is scaring him, and the press is obviously there with the cameras rolling. Does anybody really buy this pap about the boy soldier playing war?
I found it brillant in a way, the pics of this fresh kid and his interview did more to paint the killings going on there as the normal thing to do, than the whole Al Queda terrorism paranoia.
Remember the pics of queen Margret 25 year ago, when she fired a cannon in the Falkland war, big eyed in that mighty kabooom? :lol:
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His desire to do the duty all the other grunts do is admirable, but in all seriousness, he's probably being protected with the same level of security that we see in the Green Zone.
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