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I like the channel of this name, increasingly so. They have an American guy named Peter Lavelle who anchores a political magazine, OReilly type but ten times better and more convincing. A mouthpiece of the leader of Russia's guided democracy, Putin. Today he commented some pieces of Putin's latest speeches, who stated "I am not addicted to power", and "I am not above the law". I wonder why he stressed that?
Never mind, Putin gave the country stability and spread wealth amongst more people than would be thought possible in such short a time. Lived myself in Russia for a couple of years and know how many people want to be guided there and not on their own with decisions concerning their lifes and jobs and whatever else, so Putin has been doing a good job.
Some anniversary was today, was it the American withdrawal from Vietnam or the Russian one from Afghanistan? I learned that the Americans alone financed the Mujaheddin, renamed Taliban and Al Queda, with more than $ 1 billion per each single year of the Russian occupation, well over $ 2 billion per year in todays money.
I also learned that the planned shotdown of that spy satellite is rather a test for American Star Wars, what seems to have a point. That satellite is a lot smaller than the shuttle Colombia, shaped like a cupboard, and not designed to survive a contact with earth's atmosphere, no heat shield and such. There didn't many recognizable Columbia pieces come back, and I can't remember it's fuel left as much as a stain anywhere.
The website of that channel is russiatoday.ru (didn't work when I tried it a minute ago), you might want to visit it sometimes if you want to learn some truths about America.
Does seem strange that they would want to shoot that thing down because no fuel would re-enter anyway and no pieces which would be of any value to anyone. I don't think any informed person would believe the latter. Of course it has to be done in low earth orbit so all the stuff will come down and not make a bigger mess up there. I hope this doesn't cause China to do another one at an altitude which will matter, as the last one, which was probably a warning saying that if the US messes around with blowing things up they will blow a few things up and make space a writeoff for everyone. We know who loses bigtime if that happens.
gray ghost Wrote:We know who loses bigtime if that happens.

Who might that be "GG"?
And a further Duuhh added to this intellectually stimulating conversation, there is more to consider. The US statement is a political one and still leaves the world, particularly Russa and China, with no doubt that it will be displaying it's anti-missile prowess. If you could do this, wouldn't you let your potential enemies know that you can defend yourself?

There is also a potential "egg in face" opportunity as well. Suppose the US fails to hit the intended target? Seems to me that they are pretty certain of themselves.

Further, this is a display of rocket and software technology. The REAL IT Kicker is in the relm of lazer technology. If the US is willing to make it's rocket accuracy pubic, it must mean that they have further aces up their sleeve too.

"GG", with your professed maturity and knowledge, did you also consider this, but were too modest to make it public? Just curious. Wink1
John L Wrote:
gray ghost Wrote:We know who loses bigtime if that happens.

Who might that be "GG"?

Who might it be John is the US and if you don't understand why then I will take a little time to tell you. I think it was Chalmeres Johnson who said that the whole thing could be messed up forever by shooting up a couple of loads of gravel and exploding it in the right earth orbit altitude. Then the who, who is screwed the biggest is the US because it has about 20 times the investment is satellites up there as the nearest copetitor. That means that the US depends on space to that degree more than any other nation or group of nations. No more star wars, guided munitions, sat coms, you name it John. I bet you didn't know that a paint chip the size of Maggie's little fingernail almost brought down a space shuttle! Think what a 1//4 inch piece of gravel could do John!

And what's this 'professed maturity and knowledge thing you are taking exception to now? Want me to dumb it down a little for you?
gray ghost Wrote:
John L Wrote:
gray ghost Wrote:We know who loses bigtime if that happens.

Who might that be "GG"?

And what's this 'professed maturity and knowledge thing you are taking exception to now? Want me to dumb it down a little for you?

Gosh, I thought you already had.
What's supposed to be proved if the sattelite is knocked down?
China did the same last year.
Belated answer from the slow-wits? S1

APPEND
Very curious conference was held in Kremlin on Tuesday. Putin answered questions of Russian and foreign journalists during nearly 5 hours.
Good questions, smart answers.
Green Wrote:What's supposed to be proved if the sattelite is knocked down?
China did the same last year.
Belated answer from the slow-wits? S1

APPEND
Very curious conference was held in Kremlin in Tuesday. Putin answered questions of Russian and foreign journalists during nearly 5 ours.
Good questions, smart answers.

If that is so Green, then why is everyone so vexed over this "non-event"?
But one thing China doesn't deploy ABMs abroad.
Green Wrote:But one thing China doesn't deploy ABMs abroad.

But what does that have to do with everyone(ie Russia and China) have to do with this making the news and everyone getting their panties in a wad?

After all, you stated that it was no big deal, right?
Whatever you do on your territory is your business.
Problems appear when you export your technologies and extend your domestic policies outside, ignoring Interantional Law and principles you were defenders five minutes back.
You are rule-breakers, gents. How is it possible to play with such a person?
The best decision for the world community would be keeping you penned.
But what part of it is YOUR territory?
YOU know the answer.
Green Wrote:YOU know the answer.

Yes I do: the answer is None.

However, this thread is really about shooting down a satelite that is about to crash to earth, and could cause damage or loss of life.

Perhaps we should stick to that topic instead.
My opinion is that the US either wants target practice, or doesn't want the possibility of critical pieces of the spy satellite to be recovered and eventually make their way to unfriendly hands for analysis.

Considering the size of other large man-made orbiting objects that fell back to earth (especially Sky Lab), I don't really believe there's much danger from falling debris.

-S
Stars & Stripes Wrote:My opinion is that the US either wants target practice, or doesn't want the possibility of critical pieces of the spy satellite to be recovered and eventually make their way to unfriendly hands for analysis.

Considering the size of other large man-made orbiting objects that fell back to earth (especially Sky Lab), I don't really believe there's much danger from falling debris.

-S
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Well...

Wait and see if you get some debris in your head...

Note that the reason for using a missile is that there is a risk the hydrazine tank will hit the earth without getting destroyed... (And to prevent other secrets to be revealed)...

/track_snake
It will burn up in the atmosphere. There is no risk. It's for show and to prove it can be done at stage three of missile shootdown.

Do some research.
Watched Russia Today and the Lavelle guy I mentioned above fulminated about Kosovo's independence. Dished an outrageous story up, "Kosovan Albanians abducted and dissected 1,300 Serbian teens and sold their organs to the United States". Don't know whether the story holds any water, who fancies can google.
I thought only Israel does this to Palestianians. Wink1
quadrat Wrote:Never mind, Putin gave the country stability and spread wealth amongst more people than would be thought possible in such short a time. Lived myself in Russia for a couple of years and know how many people want to be guided there and not on their own with decisions concerning their lifes and jobs and whatever else, so Putin has been doing a good job.
I've lived in Russia for over 30 years and the people who want all their major decisions in their lives made for them are definitely in the minority after all while we may not be too smart we're not really that stupid either and even a relatively slow person eventually realizes that if someone else makes all the important choices for them chances are most of those choices will be in the interests of the persons who makes them rather than in the interests of the person they're made for.

Now with regard to the distribution of wealth under Putin 99% of it got distributed among a extremely small group of his KGB cronies and some of it got rubbed off in Moscow as most of this mostly oil wealth gets channeled through there. The rest of Russia outside the Moscow beltway is in shambles and slowly but surely dying out.



Quote:I also learned that the planned shotdown of that spy satellite is rather a test for American Star Wars, what seems to have a point. That satellite is a lot smaller than the shuttle Colombia, shaped like a cupboard, and not designed to survive a contact with earth's atmosphere, no heat shield and such. There didn't many recognizable Columbia pieces come back, and I can't remember it's fuel left as much as a stain anywhere.
the bit about the shooting down the satellite being a test for the missile defense system doesn't sound especially convincing, especially if you consider the fact that elements of the actual missile defense system will be deployed in Eastern Europe and if they really target Russia that the whole idea if completely different from what was done to the satellite, i.e. the actual setup, if it's really against Russia and I assume it probably does cover that eventuality too, is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles as they are lifting off , i.e. when they are at their most vulnerable. Far as I understand in theory it's easier to shoot down a missile on its ascent than to try and hunt down individual warheads as they reenter the atmosphere over their targets.
quadrat Wrote:Watched Russia Today and the Lavelle guy I mentioned above fulminated about Kosovo's independence. Dished an outrageous story up, "Kosovan Albanians abducted and dissected 1,300 Serbian teens and sold their organs to the United States". Don't know whether the story holds any water, who fancies can google.
I thought only Israel does this to Palestianians. Wink1
actually the former chair of the Haag tribunal confirmed this recently, confessing in her memoirs she knew about it. Unfortunately I don't suppose Israel or Kosovo are the only places on earth where these sorts of things get done to people. As the saying goes, wake up and smell the shit.
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