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Quote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Five Iranian boats made aggressive manoeuvres and showed hostile intent towards three U.S. Navy ships at the weekend in the Strait of Hormuz, a major oil shipping route in the Gulf, the Pentagon said on Monday.

The Pentagon said the incident was serious. It described the Iranian actions as "careless, reckless and potentially hostile" and said Tehran should provide an explanation.

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Back in the middle of the 80s,we sank the entire Iranian Navy fleet in 2 days. Plus blasted their main oil terminal on Kharg Island.

After this fair warning,if a US ship sights an Iranian ship as close as say 1 nautical mile,it should be sunk,period. I doubt it will happen,but it would if I were our POTUS.
The Persian Gulf really needs more man made reefs for the acquatic species there.
The Iranians were probing for weaknesses. They should have been destroyed.




That is all!
John L Wrote:They should have been destroyed.

... well before they got within 200 yards!!!
Gentlemen,

3 incidents I can relate show how vulnerable we are:

1) 2005,Pitch dark,my son thought he saw something near Kuwait's coast one evening on watch. He did,a fisherman's dhow as it was,not a problem. His ship almost hit it. Of course we had no idea it was there,nor did he know we were there.

2)A captain lost his commission in 06 when an air craft carrier ran over a dhow. Ran over a dhow! A carrier! How hard is it to arrange a dhow with explosives to make contact with a United States of America Naval vessel?

3)2005,my son is on deck and an Iranian AF jet flies right over his ship so low they could FEEL it.

How many incidents aren't reported?

If Iran is willing to take a handful of losses to sink a carrer,they can. They have to use non metalic ships at night,we simply have no technology beyond the human eye to find them.
One can err on the side of "diplomacy" once. I sure hope our navy does not let this happen again.

Or are politicians to blame? Does GWB wish to avoid an "incident" and has so instructed the navy?
Patrick, sorry to be a stick in the mud, but you don't lose your commission for that sort of thing. You lose your Command. Sorry, but I thought I would clarify that. If I am wrong, I will curtsy to you. S6
mr_yak Wrote:The sh*theads got within 200 yards! Bad form! Somebuddy got sum splainin' ta do ...


Quote:Pentagon officials today expressed surprise the Navy ships allowed at least one of the Iranian speedboats to get so close -- just 200 yards away -- without firing.
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Well... It seems they were just testing the reaction... Or maybe they thought that it was UK Navy....

I am surprised that the US ships didn't even fire warning shots....

/track_snake
John L Wrote:The Persian Gulf really needs more man made reefs for the acquatic species there.
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Well... It is the first time that I see you showing any concern about the environment....

/track_snake
track_snake Wrote:
John L Wrote:The Persian Gulf really needs more man made reefs for the acquatic species there.
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Well... It is the first time that I see you showing any concern about the environment....

/track_snake

I have a tremendous respect and love for the environment. I grew up in Alaska, where I was a boy scout and spent a lot of time out back. I love nature, animals, and the relationship of all of them to the environment.

Your problem, like most Collectivist/Statist, is that you assume anyone who does not kow-tow to the Collectivist view of worshiping the State and expecting them to dictate how things should be done, is a sexist, biggoted, nature trashing, Neanderthal. And that could be furtherest from the truth. I'm a Rugged Individualist.

I just believe that a Free Enterprise/ Private Property outlook, is the best way to preserve the environment. People who own the land will always hold it in more value that land that is placed in "Commons" and labeled as "The People's" land. That is pure Bunk.

If you cannot sell it to others, you don't own it. Screw the State I say!

That government, which governs best, governs least. That is some wisdom you will most likely never understand fully.
track_snake Wrote:I am surprised that the US ships didn't even fire warning shots....

Apparently so are some folks in the Pentagon. After the Cole this is pretty damned unacceptable. It's a blessing that if this had to happened ... it happened this way without massive damage. Hopefully it will embarrass the crap out of the Navy in a public way and put them on a different footing.

Palladin Wrote:How many incidents aren't reported?

Don't know, but this one certainly made the press didn't it? Kinda makes you wonder how that happened eh?
John L Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:
John L Wrote:The Persian Gulf really needs more man made reefs for the acquatic species there.
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Well... It is the first time that I see you showing any concern about the environment....

/track_snake

I have a tremendous respect and love for the environment. I grew up in Alaska, where I was a boy scout and spent a lot of time out back. I love nature, animals, and the relationship of all of them to the environment.

Your problem, like most Collectivist/Statist, is that you assume anyone who does not kow-tow to the Collectivist view of worshiping the State and expecting them to dictate how things should be done, is a sexist, biggoted, nature trashing, Neanderthal. And that could be furtherest from the truth. I'm a Rugged Individualist.

I just believe that a Free Enterprise/ Private Property outlook, is the best way to preserve the environment. People who own the land will always hold it in more value that land that is placed in "Commons" and labeled as "The People's" land. That is pure Bunk.

If you cannot sell it to others, you don't own it. Screw the State I say!

That government, which governs best, governs least. That is some wisdom you will most likely never understand fully.
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Yes, I am a Neanderthal man. How did you know? The only survivor of that species by the way...

/track_snake
There's an extremely sinister aspect to this guys. It reeks of the first overt major state sponsored military suicide missions that we've seen in over 50 years. This wasn't some lone Muslim dynamite mule. These were Iranian navy vessels with Iranian sailors posing as wouldbe Kamikazee.

From link above ...

Quote:... before long, the United States may have to resort to stronger defensive measures in the waters of the Persian Gulf.

No sh*t Sherlock!? Shock
track_snake Wrote:Yes, I am a Neanderthal man. How did you know? The only survivor of that species by the way...

/track_snake

Perhaps you can show us a picture of your cranium and body, so I can study your features? As a Physical Anthropologist, I know what characteristics Neanderthals possessed. And I ocassionally see some who likely posess some of those genes, but I have yet to see any asian who closely resembles one. And that is natural, since Neanderthals occupied Europe and did not extend to the far east.

However, I am willing to give you a 'look-see'. S6
Didn't the Neanderthals do trepanning? :lol:
mr_yak Wrote:Didn't the Neanderthals do trepanning? :lol:

That is absolutely correct! Damn Yak, you surprise me with your Liberal Knowledge here!

The first instance of this was uncovered at the Shanidar Cave site, in Iran, by Ralph Solecki. It is an example of Neanderthals actually performing brain surgery and the person lived following the operation!

You can find it right here. The Shanidar cave Proto-Neolithic human population: Aspects of demography and paleopathology. Unfortunately, it is a 'pay to view' site, and not something the average person would bother to wade through.

This also appears within the AJPA(American Journal of Physical Anthropology), which is the premier journal for this science. We covered this in graduate school. Also, at the University of South Carolina, my facualty advisor, Dr Ken Rathburn, actually participated with the study, and received his doctorate with work on Shanidar Cave. That is how I was so interested in Neanderthal Man.

And what is most interesting is that the Neanderthal patient actually lived following the operation. We know this, because osteoblastic material is living tissue. Had the patient died, he/she would have bone that was freshly chiseled. By living the cranium would attempt to regrow and reach closure. This is what happened in the case study, the bone had regrown somewhat, so the patient had lived months later, and probably died of another cause.

Congratulations! Wink1
mr_yak Wrote:There's an extremely sinister aspect to this guys. It reeks of the first overt major state sponsored military suicide missions that we've seen in over 50 years. This wasn't some lone Muslim dynamite mule. These were Iranian navy vessels with Iranian sailors posing as would be Kamikazee.

From link above ...

Quote:... before long, the United States may have to resort to stronger defensive measures in the waters of the Persian Gulf.

No sh*t Sherlock!? Shock

In retrospect, perhaps the coolest thing the navy could have done would have been to machine gun the boxes thrown overboard by those in the speed boats. This would have proved that our defenses were alerted, ready to fire, that they could hit targets but disdained to sink the speed boats, "just yet".

Does anyone know how the Iranian press is reporting/spinning this incident?

There is nothing to do but wait to see what will happen next.
Unless this is a cooked up nothing,I'd relieve the rear admiral of command(notice that John???). He's the one who is contacted and must authorize force.

A 1944 PT boat could torpedo a ship from a lot farther away than 200 fricking yards. I'm confident these Iranian ships can as well.

I'm with Yak,this is court martial material,but again,I am assuming this is a fact based story and not some pr.
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