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Good choice of place for this essential meeting, the destructrive rise in world temperatures and sea levels threatens to flood the tropical paradise.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071203/ap_o...conference

Quote:BALI, Indonesia - Faced with melting polar ice caps and worsening droughts, climate experts at a massive U.N. conference Monday urged quick action toward a new international pact stemming an increasingly destructive rise in world temperatures.

A key goal of the two-week conference, which opened with delegates from nearly 190 countries in attendance, will be to draw a skeptical United States into an agreement to cut emissions of carbon dioxide and other so-called greenhouse gases.

While the U.S. delegation declared it would not be a "roadblock" to a new agreement, Washington remains opposed to steps many other countries support, such as mandatory emissions cuts by rich nations and a target for limiting the rise in global temperatures.

The American position suffered a blow Monday when the new Australian prime minister signed papers to ratify the Kyoto Protocol climate pact. The move leaves the U.S. — the world's top emitter of greenhouse gases — as the sole industrial power not to have joined.

Conference leaders urged delegates to move quickly to combat climate change.

"The eyes of the world are upon you. There is a huge responsibility for Bali to deliver," said Yvo de Boer, the executive secretary of the conference. "The world now expects a quantum leap forward."

The conference kicked off amid growing global momentum for dramatic action to stop rising temperatures that scientists say could lead to swamping of coastal areas and islands by higher oceans, the wiping out of species, economic havoc and a spike in natural disasters such as storms, fires and droughts.

The Bali meeting will be the first major conference of its kind since former Vice President Al Gore — due to arrive next week — and a U.N. scientific council won the Nobel Peace Prize in October for their environmental work.

The immediate aim will be to launch negotiations toward a pact to replace the Kyoto Protocol when it expires in 2012, and set an agenda for the talks and a deadline. The U.N. says such an agreement should be concluded by 2009 in order to have a system in place in time.

Among the most contentious issues ahead will be whether emission cuts should be mandatory or voluntary. Also to be tackled will be to what extent up-and-coming economies like China and India will have to rein in their skyrocketing emissions, and how to help the world's poorest countries adapt to a worsening climate.

The American delegation was clearly on the defensive in Bali, presenting a statement detailing the ways the U.S. is fighting global warming without submitting to mandatory emissions targets.

"We're not here to be a roadblock," insisted Harlan L. Watson, the senior U.S. climate negotiator. "We're committed to a successful conclusion, and we're going to work very constructively to make that happen."

Confronted with the scientific reports of the past year, the Bush administration has signaled a willingness to play a larger role in the negotiations, and U.N. officials agree they must craft a post-Kyoto framework that Washington will go along with.

Australia abandoned the anti-Kyoto alliance with the U.S. on Monday, when new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd signed the paperwork to ratify the pact. Delegates in Bali erupted in applause when Australia's delegate, Howard Bamsey, told the plenary that Canberra was jumping on board.

Environmentalists at the conference cited what they saw as growing international momentum for tougher safeguards against global warming. Even critics of the Bush administration pointed out that many individual states, such as California, were on the forefront of cutting emissions.

"Despite the failure of the current president to take serious action on global warming, the political landscape in the United States is shifting dramatically in favor of mandatory limits on global warming pollution," said Alden Meyer of the Union of Concerned Scientists, citing upcoming action in the U.S. Congress.

Trying to fend off charges that America is not doing enough, Bush said last week a final Energy Department report showed U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide, a leading greenhouse gas, declined by 1.5 percent last year while the economy grew.
It's a GREAT place for bureaucrats and UN blood suckers, because Bali is a resort area, and they are able to 'shack up' in the most expensive and opulent place they can find. Nothing is better than wasting the money of the members, of which the US is the largest(slightly over 25% of total dues).

You are correct "Q". What better place to set up shop and waste money that is their's to waste?
I hope Bali Airport isn't over flowing with small private jets,they would discharge CO2!
Pattaya would have been more appropriate. More stimulating of the mind and personal ecosystem.
jt Wrote:Pattaya would have been more appropriate. More stimulating of the mind and personal ecosystem.
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Well... Pattaya is a nice place but there is no airport. Bangkok is 160 kilometers away and there is a train line with one daily train from Bangkok.

/track_snake
track_snake Wrote:
jt Wrote:Pattaya would have been more appropriate. More stimulating of the mind and personal ecosystem.
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Well... Pattaya is a nice place but there is no airport. Bangkok is 160 kilometers away and there is a train line with one daily train from Bangkok.

/track_snake

T_S, I think what "jt" was getting at was the fact that Pattaya is the world's largest whore house, and perfect for a UN conference. Where else could you go and have a certain group of people fleece another group of fleecers?

Pattaya would have been the PERFECT location for a UN meeting, don't you think? S2
Nobody ever accused the UN of not leading by example, on some things anyway.
Funny how earlier there was a story posted here about the UN being the one, along with all the GW retards, leaving a massive carbon footprint or whatever at this meeting.

Irony - the spice of life.
Gunnen4u Wrote:Funny how earlier there was a story posted here about the UN being the one, along with all the GW retards, leaving a massive carbon footprint or whatever at this meeting.

Irony - the spice of life.

Also 'funny' is near complete silence over the fact that U.S. carbon emissions actually declined last year ... even as our economy grew ... even as emissions in the rest of the world continue to grow at a more rapid pace.

... but we're managing to do it with increased efficiency and voluntary actions ... rather than wealth transfer, enforced poverty and collective self-flagillation ... so I guess we're still the bad guys.
What a party, all on the taxpayers dime. If they have their way, lots more tax payers dimes will have to be coughed up. But nary a dime out of their own pockets.
jt Wrote:What a party, all on the taxpayers dime. If they have their way, lots more tax payers dimes will have to be coughed up. But nary a dime out of their own pockets.

The entitlement mentality is quite widesperad, especially amongst bureaucrats.
No kidding. And you read my Pattaya comment exactly right.
John L Wrote:
jt Wrote:What a party, all on the taxpayers dime. If they have their way, lots more tax payers dimes will have to be coughed up. But nary a dime out of their own pockets.

The entitlement mentality is quite widesperad, especially amongst bureaucrats.

Gotta disagree. The above response is exactly the right attitude. The U.S. position is that the best approach involves enhanced technology and innovation ... rather than deliberately strangling our economy to pay homage to the carbon credit gods. Refusal to pay the enviro extortion is pretty much akin to a diplomatic version of "up yours". I don't envy our delegation ... they're pretty much taking a (albeit posh) visit behind enemy lines ... probably lots of bruising involved. Again ... no congrats on our reduced emissions in '06 ... no respect! ... no respect at all!! :lol:

I doubt that it's all that great a party. Not like a UN hunger conference ... now THAT'S a first class feast! Wink1
I just went to the Junk Science website and saw the best video debates on climate control are now up. The YouTube debate that debunks Gore, The John Stoessel broadcast, and several others are right there on the home page.

Recommended.
One of the best places is Steve McIntyre's Climate Audit.

http://climateaudit.org/
John McLean has a good site too.

http://mclean.ch/climate/global_warming.htm
I'm with Yak on this one,the US position makes imminent sense. Let those Europeans pay more taxes,I think they ought to double their tax rates myself,maybe triple them!
Quote:Canada killing European effort to cut emissions

GEOFFREY YORK

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

December 12, 2007 at 2:28 AM EST

NUSA DUA, Indonesia — Canada is playing a key role in killing a European effort to set an ambitious goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by as much as 40 per cent by the end of the next decade, environmentalists say.

Canada, the United States and Japan are the main opponents of the plan, which is emerging as the most fiercely debated issue at the Bali climate conference.

No country alone is likely to be willing to block an agreement at Bali, but an alliance of several countries would be enough to stop any deal. Canada has an influential role because the United States, the strongest opponent, is unable to attend all of the negotiating sessions at Bali, since it did not ratify the Kyoto accord.

Canada's Environment Minister John Baird was scheduled to speak to delegates and environmentalists for the first time Tuesday to explain Canada's climate-change policy, but he left the room without speaking.

Environmental activists were enraged, and many of the 100 audience members, who had hoped to question Mr. Baird, stormed out angrily when it was announced that he had left.

A senior government official said Mr. Baird left the event because he "had to meet with Canadian negotiators."

The Bali talks were given fresh urgency last night after a warning that the planet could be facing "oblivion" if it fails to take drastic steps soon.

"The situation is so desperately serious that any delay could push us past the tipping point, beyond which the ecological, financial and human costs would increase dramatically," United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told the conference delegates Tuesday night.

"We are at a crossroad," he said. "One path leads to a comprehensive climate-change agreement, the other to oblivion. The choice is clear."

Stavros Dimas, the European Union Environment Commissioner and the chief European negotiator, said it is crucial to establish an ambitious goal, 25 to 40 per cent, for reductions in greenhouse gases by industrialized countries by 2020.

"Science tells us that these reductions are necessary," he said. "Logic requires that we listen to science."

But the Harper government has joined the United States and Japan in trying to block any reference to this goal in the final agreement at the Bali conference.

Canadian negotiators tried to veto the European proposal at a closed-door negotiating session on Monday. By Tuesday afternoon, a United Nations official said the proposal had been restored to the latest draft agreement, but its fate remained in jeopardy.

Mr. Baird, asked repeatedly by journalists to explain why Canada is blocking the 25- to 40-per-cent goal, suggested that it would be premature to begin talking numbers at Bali.

"We're not here to do the formal negotiations," he said. "We're here to launch negotiations. … If we can get all major emitters on board, we'd be quite prepared to look at a 25- to 40-per-cent absolute reduction in emissions."

Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion, who arrived at the Bali conference Tuesday, said the government's policy of demanding mandatory action by all countries is "a recipe for failure." Canada should accept a target for industrialized nations by 2020, he said. "It would give you a good indicator to mark progress."

Canada faced more criticism from the international community Tuesday. Mr. Dimas said he is getting "mixed signals" from Canada, and he questioned whether Canada is respecting its pledges under the Kyoto agreement, which comes into force next month.

"They say, 'Yes, we're going to respect our Kyoto obligations and commitments, but not now, but in 2020,'" Mr. Dimas said.

Mr. Baird has urged the developing world to accept a mandatory target for reducing its emissions, but environmentalists say it will be extremely difficult to persuade the developing nations to accept any cuts if the industrialized world is refusing to accept a 25- to 40-per-cent cut by 2020.

"If we want China and India and Brazil to do more, we have to show that we're serious, we have to show that we mean business," said Steven Guilbeault of the Equiterre environmental group.

Nathan Cullen, the NDP environment critic, said the climate negotiations will be "back to square one" if Canada blocks the 25- to 40-per-cent goal.

"Not having a goal or direction for the next negotiation leads the entire process backwards," he said. "Taking that language out strips the whole process of a goal and an ambition, and just leads to further talk. We need to start to lay down the markers."

And the moonbats all wept.
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