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After the slap in the face of honesty and freedom by awarding that prize to Al Gore I wondered, how many more biased decisions were made by that left-wing think tank in Oslo in the past? Here's a list of former laureates,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

which to my surprise contains a couple of Germans. One of them would is a candidate,

1971, Willy Brandt, "for West Germany's Ostpolitik, embodying a new attitude towards Eastern Europe and East Germany". One can't negotiate with communists but kills them, before they kill good Christians.

1977, Amnesty International, "Campaign against torture". Left wing agents with the agenda to destroy freedom and property rights.

1978, Mohamed Anwar Al-Sadat, Menachem Begin, "for negotiating peace between Egypt and Israel". Begin was a traitor in making peace with Muslims, which are commited to destroy Israel.

1990, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, "for his leading role in the peace process which today characterizes important parts of the international community". Appropriate would have been to award Ronald Reagan. The victory in the cold war guaranteed peace.

1994, Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin, "for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East". Cynically to award the greatest sponsors of Palestinian terror ever.

1997, International Campaign to Ban Landmines, "for their work for the banning and clearing of anti-personnel mines". Land mines are an effective means to curb the growth of Muslim terrorist populations, as recently demonstrated in Lebanon.

2002, James Earl Carter, "for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development". An impertinence that doesn't need any further explanations. An unperson for sincere Americans and Christians.

2005, International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, "for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way". Failed to produce evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
The one to Sadat and Begin is the only example of a non socialist oriented award. The others are. That list confirms,Nobel peace prizes are for collectivist think types. Brandt had an East German spy as one of his biggest advisors.

Had Carter been able to sell America's sovereignty to the USSR,he would have been awarded one. We can have peace with tyranny,some of us don't want that peace.
One point that bothers me.

We consider Arafat's prize wrongly given (and I of course agree). But he was given it together with two Israeli politicians after a peace treaty; this was just like with Begin and Sadat.

The treaty with Egypt did hold and contributed to peace; the treaty with Pals contributed to continuous war; but how could anyone know this at the time the treaty was signed? The Israelis who took the prize together with Arafat obviously did not know or worse....

The same goes for the prize shared by Kissinger and the Viet leader Le Duc Tho (I'm lazy to check the spelling)..it led to Khmer Rouge and boat people, but how could anyone know?

The way out of this is to award such prizes at least a decade after the events. Now, there is one award on the Q's list that could have been checked for results: this is the case of Carter.

His decades of efforts killed about a million people in the Iran-Iraq war only.

This may be the worst award ever.

As for Gore: he did not kill anyone yet, did he?
Just to measure the compliance by the descendants of Nobel with the originator of TNT, and facilitate discussion, here are all the past winners:

2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.
2006 - Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank
2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
2004 - Wangari Maathai
2003 - Shirin Ebadi
2002 - Jimmy Carter
2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan
2000 - Kim Dae-jung
1999 - Médecins Sans Frontières
1998 - John Hume, David Trimble
1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
1996 - Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, José Ramos-Horta
1995 - Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs
1994 - Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
1993 - Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk
1992 - Rigoberta Menchú Tum
1991 - Aung San Suu Kyi
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev
1989 - The 14th Dalai Lama
1988 - United Nations Peacekeeping Forces
1987 - Oscar Arias Sánchez
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1985 - International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
1984 - Desmond Tutu
1983 - Lech Walesa
1982 - Alva Myrdal, Alfonso García Robles
1981 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1980 - Adolfo Pérez Esquivel
1979 - Mother Teresa
1978 - Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin
1977 - Amnesty International
1976 - Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan
1975 - Andrei Sakharov
1974 - Seán MacBride, Eisaku Sato
1973 - Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho
1972 - The prize money for 1972 was allocated to the Main Fund
1971 - Willy Brandt
1970 - Norman Borlaug
1969 - International Labour Organization
1968 - René Cassin
1967 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1966 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1965 - United Nations Children's Fund
1964 - Martin Luther King
1963 - International Committee of the Red Cross, League of Red Cross Societies
1962 - Linus Pauling
1961 - Dag Hammarskjöld
1960 - Albert Lutuli
1959 - Philip Noel-Baker
1958 - Georges Pire
1957 - Lester Bowles Pearson
1956 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1955 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1954 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1953 - George C. Marshall
1952 - Albert Schweitzer
1951 - Léon Jouhaux
1950 - Ralph Bunche
1949 - Lord Boyd Orr
1948 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1947 - Friends Service Council, American Friends Service Committee
1946 - Emily Greene Balch, John R. Mott
1945 - Cordell Hull
1944 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1943 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1942 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1941 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1940 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1939 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1938 - Nansen International Office for Refugees
1937 - Robert Cecil
1936 - Carlos Saavedra Lamas
1935 - Carl von Ossietzky
1934 - Arthur Henderson
1933 - Sir Norman Angell
1932 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1931 - Jane Addams, Nicholas Murray Butler
1930 - Nathan Söderblom
1929 - Frank B. Kellogg
1928 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1927 - Ferdinand Buisson, Ludwig Quidde
1926 - Aristide Briand, Gustav Stresemann
1925 - Sir Austen Chamberlain, Charles G. Dawes
1924 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1923 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1922 - Fridtjof Nansen
1921 - Hjalmar Branting, Christian Lange
1920 - Léon Bourgeois
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
1918 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1917 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1916 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1915 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1914 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1913 - Henri La Fontaine
1912 - Elihu Root
1911 - Tobias Asser, Alfred Fried
1910 - Permanent International Peace Bureau
1909 - Auguste Beernaert, Paul Henri d'Estournelles de Constant
1908 - Klas Pontus Arnoldson, Fredrik Bajer
1907 - Ernesto Teodoro Moneta, Louis Renault
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
1905 - Bertha von Suttner
1904 - Institute of International Law
1903 - Randal Cremer
1902 - Élie Ducommun, Albert Gobat
1901 - Henry Dunant, Frédéric Passy

That is an amazing listing of nearly irrelevant and mostly obscure personalities, who--for the most part--fully deserve their removal from collective memory! OK, I am being a bit facetious [hey, it goes with the territory]; yet, there are some notable personalities in that list whose presence can only be explained through international poliics and failed policies that only emphasize how arbitrary the definition of "peace".
What does that mean, "The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section?" They gave themselves the prize?
During WWI and WWII no prizes were awarded, but the prize money were kept for use in future prizes.
Quote:The way out of this is to award such prizes at least a decade after the events.

Absolutely. And that's exactly what's done with the Chemistry and Physics prizes. Those awards go to people whose work is thoroughly validated and proven to be of great worth to mankind.

-S
Quote:We can have peace with tyranny, some of us don't want that peace
Palladin,
I think so, too. Peace benefits tyranny only. What really counts, is to be at spiritual peace with Jesus Christ.[/quote]
mv and Stars & Stripes,
nope. The purpose of the prize is to promote peace rather than to reward it. Which it did more often than not, due to the attention the prize attracts, due to its reputation.
quadrat Wrote:mv and Stars & Stripes,
nope. The purpose of the prize is to promote peace rather than to reward it.

If so, have the prize awarded to the assassins that take out the more unsavory warmongering types...use the list above as a guideline.
MV,

I think your concerns are valid. What do I think of say Bush if he achieves "peace" with Bin Laden? I would think he is a traitor and culpable in the looming destruction of America.

So,were I an Israeli,I would hold in such low esteem both Peres and the gentleman who was murdered for dealing with an openly acknowledged Islamic terrorist.

I'm sorry for Israeli Jews,but they have a reality to deal with. Those Palestinians Arabs(and Greeks) want them dead and want them gone,there can only be peace in a Jewish grave with those people.

Prepare for war and expect it,this is the safest a Jew can be in Palestine.

I think delusional humans are as guilty as the ones they follow to the pit when it causes innocent death.
Quote: I think your concerns are valid. What do I think of say Bush if he achieves "peace" with Bin Laden? I would think he is a traitor and culpable in the looming destruction of America.

Here is another interesting thing. A "Bush-OBL peace treaty" will be against the interests of the US, but may be -- in view of a few Norwegians -- of great benefit to the humanity. In essence, they are acting as a kind of a World Court.

Quote: So,were I an Israeli,I would hold in such low esteem both Peres and the gentleman who was murdered for dealing with an openly acknowledged Islamic terrorist.

It is fascinating that Peres was not assassinated and nobody apparently even considered whacking him....
Peres wasn't the PM,he likely would have been.

Yes of course,Bush would be loved by the zeitgeist were he to join the jihad,that goes w/o saying.
Quote:If so, have the prize awarded to the assassins that take out the more unsavory warmongering types...use the list above as a guideline.
mv,
absolutely. Rabin was a warmonger in making peace with the Palestinians. So was Willy Brandt in making peace with communists. Better dead than red, an old saying tells us. I wonder why Palladin, though being on the right trail, didn't say the whole truth?
Quote:Brandt had an East German spy as one of his biggest advisors.
Brandt himself was an important agent of leftist collectivism, the East German advisor pales in comparison. Collectivism, section social market economy (socialism) in his case. Major other ones are communism, fascism, Islamism, Catholicism. In general, (with the notable exception of the Jews) a collectivist is an individual who doesn't confess to Jesus Christ, or uses inappropriate rituals in doing so. And Palladin hasn't yet realised the monstrosity of Carter's actions,
Quote:Had Carter been able to sell America's sovereignty to the USSR,he would have been awarded one.
He did! Carter has been awarded one!
Whoa, Nelly, let us not go hog-wild in a general "blood libel":

Quote:Here is another interesting thing. A "Bush-OBL peace treaty" will be against the interests of the US, but may be -- in view of a few Norwegians -- of great benefit to the humanity. In essence, they are acting as a kind of a World Court.

The prize is awarded in Oslo, but Norwegians as a whole have nothing to do with it! Think "Oscar" and other such tripe when considering this little award. Yes, the Norwegian Parliament does select five of its members to "control" the award. Just how open is a process that includes the following:

Quote:The Nobel Committee sends out invitation letters containing confidential forms to individuals qualified to nominate – members of national assemblies, governments, and international courts of law; university chancellors, professors of social science, history, philosophy, law and theology; leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs; Nobel Peace Prize Laureates of previous years; board members of organizations that have received the Nobel Peace Prize; present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; and former advisers of the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

See for yourself--

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

That selection is more or less an in-bred process is obvious. That the why and how is kept secret for 50 years should not come as a surprise to any who consider this bauble but another trinket for politicians with private agendas.
Quad,

I mean one for handing the USA over to the USSR.
Quote:...That list confirms, Nobel ... prizes are for collectivist think types...

...That selection (of the prizes) is more or less an in-bred process is obvious...
Since most of us agree that the Nobel Prize Committee is an outlet of collectivism, we must urgently address their most sinister plot to undermine the foundations of freedom and democracy, our free markets. By that Nobel Prize in Economics. I learned this morning this years prize was given to three Americans, and looking up the history,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_prize_economics

I see that Americans are awarded most of the time. (Again, I miss Ronald Reagan whose ingenious "trickle down" theory had the intented "flow up" effect.) As drgonzaga diagnosed,
Quote:That is an amazing listing of nearly irrelevant and mostly obscure personalities, who--for the most part--fully deserve their removal from collective memory!
because they are moles of collectivism planted at American universities.