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My apologies for the sloppy I'm adding these two articles.

Both are interesting, I don't have time to comment right now, and unless I post the links here, I'll not find them again tomorrow.
Europe lives up to the title 'old world'. To have fewer shrieking toddlers of other people around is actually good for the mental health, isn't it?
Quote:Currently, a couple divorces every 30 seconds in Europe and over 13.5 million marriages affecting more than 21 million children ended between 1990 and 2005 in the enlarged EU, according to the document.
Have always wondered why you can marry the love of your life virtually on the spot, but when you decide to give her or him the chop, you have to spend some three years (in Germany) in a legal quagmire until the divorce. Should be the other way around.
What usually lifelong support after a divorce for the former spouse has to do with the responsibility of an adult person to fundamentally care for himself or herself, escapes me too.
What else is new? Europeans came finally to total self worship,which is the height of self centeredness and what is the result?

Revulsion of self to the extent they stopped the propagation of the race.

This is what Europe is hoping for Americans and they may get their wish.
The new part in the 1st article is only the numbers, not the situation. But do look at the 2nd article:

It is more interesting: a continuous attempt to push through the Constitution through the back door.
'UK should veto EU treaty to save market' Wrote:Any state can veto a new treaty. In this case it would lead to a major showdown between a British-led group of free market states and a French-led bloc.

These groups would just fight over the content, the chances are close to zero that any government would veto. Only a referendum can do a lot of damage to the treaty (and to the broader community) and it is still possible that we get another one here in the Netherlands. The cabinet heavily opposes it, but not all governing parties in the lower house oppose it and thus a majority might vote in favor. I don't want to get too much into Dutch politics, but that specific governing party is the Labor party and it already gets heavy criticism because it retracted from a lot of election promises including the referendum. Next to this, the party just elected a new chairman (Jan Pronk) and he promised to return the party to a more leftish course and get back on the election promises.

Anyway, the treaty would be rejected again if it comes to a referendum.
Thanks, SNK.

Nothing wrong in getting " too much into Dutch politics " if you feel like, we usually don't follow it closely (at least I don't) and knowing what is going on is always helpful.
quadrat Wrote:Europe lives up to the title 'old world'. To have fewer shrieking toddlers of other people around is actually good for the mental health, isn't it?

This actually is a false statement, as the article says
Quote:Despite these figures, the EU population has grown by 8.2% over the last 27 years, now reaching almost 500 million.

This paradox can mostly be explained by an ever increasing number of immigrants coming to the EU. Last year alone, 75% of the population growth was the result of immigration flows, says the report.
...which means that you have even more shrieking toddlers of other people around you, they're just ever fewer European toddlers
This might be, but the next major Turkish city, Berlin, is a good 200 miles from my place. Our immigrant quota is a little over 1%. No idea why the Islamists don't want to convert Thuringia, the Saxonies, Mecklenburg and Brandenburg. Because we are mostly atheists? We're near an inferiority complex.
Your calculation might be wrong, immigrants are usually older. As soon as they are in Germany, their reproduction rate goes south, too. Need no kids for their social security.
This is true for most immigrants, but not for Turks and Arabs.

Immigrants from Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy have birth rates which are comparable to those of German women (1.2 to 1.5), but for Turks the rate went from over 3 in the 70ies to now somewhere between 2 and 3.

Overall, immirants represent 20% of all Germans, but among the kids the number is 35%. So you're wrong if you're stating they were older.

As for Thuringia and Saxonia, there the Germans extinguish themselves without needing any immigration at all :lol: nevertheless, these bundeslaender will be the only ones where Germans still hold a majority by 2025.
The Q, of all people, wondered about Marriage and the State!

Quote:Have always wondered why you can marry the love of your life virtually on the spot, but when you decide to give her or him the chop, you have to spend some three years (in Germany) in a legal quagmire until the divorce.

Marriage is a contract, Q, and as with all liquidations the disposition of interests and assets require time and supervision. So, what's love got to do with it!?! :twisted:
Quote:Overall, immirants represent 20% of all Germans
Nope. 12.5% and the majority are other Europeans. Coincidentally the same figure as in the US, 12.5% immigrants.

drgonzaga,
no problem. Why doesn't the negotiation of that contract require so much time and no supervision at all?
CIA Factbook on German population ethnic structure Wrote:German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)
mv,
"CIA Factbook" is an oxymoron of its own. Wikipedia says 12.5% immigrants. I guess the discrepancy is by what you count, 8.5% could be the fraction of German citizens of foreign origin, 12.5% they plus the legal foreign residents. In the nineties, Germany attracted more than a million of Germans born abroad, mostly from Romania and USSR. Immigration is declining, however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Foreign_pop.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mk_Zuwanderer.png
Q asked a strange question on the brevity of courtship:

Quote:Why doesn't the negotiation of that contract require so much time and no supervision at all?

In a sense, the answer to that is a simple one: the "contracting" parties, deluded by immaturity, forget the inherent warning captured in the old Latin caveat emptor! :roll:
mv Wrote:
CIA Factbook on German population ethnic structure Wrote:German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

That's rubbish. This is not the "ethnic structure", it's the passports. 50% of all immigrants own a German passport. By 'immigrants', the statistics are referring to those who immigrated themselves or their parents did.

By that definition, 15.3 million immigrants live in Germany, which is about 20% of the population. Of course the illegals aren't included here.

This number however is misleading, as in the nursing home you have 5% immigrants, but in the kindergardens you have 35%.

In larger cities, such as Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart or Cologne, immigrants have long time outnumbered ethnic Germans and have up to two thirds of all babies.

Q, perhaps you should believe what the federal bureau of statistics says, and not wikipedia. Here's a link (in German) to the 2005 statistics, which I summed up here:
http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/meldung34348.html
Chanan,
who would believe the buddhistische Standesamt? (Statistisches Bundesamt). The article backs both our opinions, yours in the figures, mine because many of the immigrants of the past years were ethnic Germans, which get naturalized at once. Since their number is declining, overall immigration is too. Legal foreign residents have to wait for their naturalization (if they want that), eight years now, I recently heared. Illegals are no noteworthy problem. Why would they do that if they can legally exist of welfare? Just a couple of criminals which go underground.