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Yesterday was the 40th anniversary of his execution.

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Still the icon for the struggle for a better world.
You know, more capitalists in Latin America have made money selling is t-shirt than just about anything else. The irony borders on the delicious.
“Tengo una remera del Che y no sé por qué,” :lol: :lol:

quadrat,

When you indicate his involvement in the ...

quadrat Wrote:... struggle for a better world.

I'm assuming you are referring to the after life as the "better world" he facilitated for the hundreds of people that he slaughtered ...
... have you changed your views on religion?
mr_yak,
this gem is from the link you presented.
Quote:...This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of ... AIDS victims, ... and other such scum, under the banner of Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production.
Che Guevara established 1965 a concentration camp for AIDS victims, I see. If you have more such outstanding research to offer, I'm all ears.
" ... precursor to ... "

Tactical blind spot bothering you again Q? Wink1

Here's some more 'research' for you regarding the graciously tolerant nature of your red heros.
Well,let's re-phrase Quad's header. It ain't no Viva with Che,it's muerta with Che. This is the anniversary of Muerta Che!

A mass murderer! Sic semper tyrannis!
This is the guy:
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Very popular in South America indeed:
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Long live the revolution! S6
stroll Wrote:This is the guy:

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Nah, that's just the Earthman over at IAP.
I prefer these photos of comrade Che.

-S



Captured Che looks like the rat he was
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Che in death
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Che being fingerprinted.
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Che had good dental hygene.
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/ches-bones.jpg


More on Che
Revolutions always have their wayward child on the loose so as to divert attention from the consequences. Leon Trotsky was the poster boy of honorable communism until given a head treatment in 1940 Mexico. I guess the beards and far away look means "visionary":

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Che underwent a similar canonization, but hardly in the comfort of an abode just off Chapultepec Park. And despite all the loving rhetoric over revolutionary martyrdom, this Argentinian was generating his own degree of friction among the barbudos of La Habana. Here is how Che Guevara addressed the 1967 Congreso Intercontinental in Cuba before his departure from Havana:

"El odio como factor de lucha; el odio intransigente al enemigo, que impulsa más allá de las limitaciones naturales del ser humano y lo convierte en una efectiva, violenta, selectiva y fría máquina de matar".

"Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines.

Is this Ann Rice discussing revolutionary vampires? That the sentence that followed this opening declared the following--

"Asi nuestros soldados; el pueblo que no odia no puede vencer al enemigo brutal."

"Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy."

--should give the thoughtful pause. Placing aside the darkly Gothic only an immature mind is capable of uttering such nonsense.

There is nothing romantic about Che Guevara and if one actually reads his journals one knows he was a cold and calculating killing machine:

"Acabé con el problema con una pistola del calibre 32, en el lado derecho de su cerebro... Sus pertenencias ahora son mías".

"I ended the problem with a 32 caliber pistol on the right side of his skull...his belongings are now mine."

Che on the killing of Eutimio Guerra, January 1957
What a shocker,a communist who enjoyed murdering people. Che was a typical communist,too,born wealthy.

Just the opposite of the propaganda. My my.
Palladin Wrote:What a shocker,a communist who enjoyed murdering people. Che was a typical communist,too,born wealthy.

Just the opposite of the propaganda. My my.

What most of them have in common is an upper middle class upbringing, where they have more than their share of spare time on their hands. without proper channeled direction, they find their own form of direction, which is usually opposed to their less than involved parents.
Gee whilickers,John. This sounds like "an idle mind is the devil's workshop".

Ernesto was wealthy,medical student and all.
I have no big problem with the execution of a few criminals and none at all with the disposal of CIA agents by Che or any other freedom fighter. :lol: Their enemies were and are the most evil, most perfidious forces on the world. Just opened a thread concerned with a fine priest in Argentina. Revolutionaries never lowered to the methods that living filth employs and employed, say in Chile, Guatemala, Argentina or Nicaragua. That's the people on your payroll.
Just looked up whether "bay of pigs" was always called like that or in honor of the American involvement, but found no conclusive answer.

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Castro's still around. :lol:
Quote:"Acabé con el problema con una pistola del calibre 32, en el lado derecho de su cerebro... Sus pertenencias ahora son mías".

"I ended the problem with a 32 caliber pistol on the right side of his skull...his belongings are now mine."

Che on the killing of Eutimio Guerra, January 1957
drgonzaga,
you of all people still employing that worn out lie? For your edification, Ernestos original account.
http://www.patriagrande.net/cuba/ernesto...jes/08.htm

The belongings of Senor Guerra were "one .45 pistol, three grenades and a letter of safe passage from anti-Revolutionist Casillas".
Ah, Q, how one reveals much through the later "editing" of history. My quote on the "Eutimio Affair" comes from Che's actual diary, while your link is but a transcription of Pasajes de la guerra revolucionaria (Passages of the Revolutionary War), a later reminiscence compiled in 1963.

What you wish to discuss is the legend prepared for los tontos útiles, you know the useful idiots, that still romanticizes the closing epoch of Cuban gangsterism that underscored political life on the island from 1943 to 1963. Now, this is a subject that overlaps my own personal memories and does require a good grasp of Cuban history from 1926 onward. In actuality, Fidel did not surge forth as some paladin of international revolution in 1957 and, instead, was but a product of Cuban domestic politics. Unfortunately, the necessary background here would require another thread; yet, in weaving "Che" into the narrative such requires recognition that this little Argentine assassin was more useful to Castro as hit-man without Cuban roots than as revolutionary theoretician. His role as poster boy, once safely dead, is but a continuation of the theme. But, that is another story entirely that wont surge forth until after Castro's death and Guevara's ghost is no longer of any utility.

As for your question over the Bay of Pigs, the name originates with the American press and general ignorance of Cuban geography. The Bay of Pigs (Bahia de Cochinos) lies beyond Punta Palmillas (Little Palms Point), and the actual landing site for the operation, Playa Girón falls athwart this headland on the eastern reaches of the Ciénaga de Zapata (Zapata Swamps) in Matanzas Province. In Cuba the battle subsequent to this landing is always called Playa Girón. However, the association with "pigs" proved a little hard to resist rhetorically among many. In official Cuban historiography, Playa Girón is the correct name.
Quote:"Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines."
"Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy."
DrGonzaga: "Is this Ann Rice discussing revolutionary vampires?"
These quotes could be from any patriotic or revolutionary propagandist, hate for the enemy and love for one's cause are routinely inculcated in preparation of and during wars and armed struggles. Nobody wants to kill people who are basically not different from oneself.

John L Wrote:What most of them have in common is an upper middle class upbringing, where they have more than their share of spare time on their hands. without proper channeled direction, they find their own form of direction, which is usually opposed to their less than involved parents.
Oh, have you recently expanded your field of expertise into the realm of psychology and social sciences?
Can we expect further profound insights into the origins and workings of the spoilt and inferior revolutionary and 'collectivist' mind? S6
Stroll, the quote is important because it is a demand that one shed his humanity so as to look upon the other as nothing more than a beast. It is the mentality that brought us Pol Pot. What is more precious, an idea or a human life? Yes, these are fundamental questions and what is gained that is worth anything by discarding justice and honor? All is lost when one becomes a beast, and only a deranged ego engages in such rhetoric. You may rationalize in that manner but you can never call it honorable or just, let alone humane.

And John is not very far off base in his assessment in terms of university life in Latin America of the 1940s. In fact, in order to understand the course of Cuban history subsequent to 1926, this knowledge is essential. Nor is the phenomenon in the past given its present expression with the Zapatistas of Chiapas. Care to go down memory lane and peer into Allende's closet? The bourgeois as revolutionary idealist is essentially a very cold fish when juxtaposed next a materialist dictator.
Stroll obviously doesn't understand anything but nihilism on combat thinking. Yes of course we want to kill the enemy,but we prefer not to have to and we prefer the enemy changes like Germans did so we can be nice and be friends. That is not hate.

Hate doesn't seek to reconcile,hate is implaccable.

The hatred expressed by Ernesto here was of atheistic/humanism based on the arrogance of the self perceived and self anointed high and mighty upon lowly mankind.

Hate is what led to the post WWI paradigm against Germans,enlightened people called Americans is what led to the post WWII paradigm in Germany. No one is better off whipping the Americans,it is always best to lose to us. That is not hatred.
Quote:In actuality, Fidel did not surge forth as some paladin of international revolution in 1957 and, instead, was but a product of Cuban domestic politics.
drgonzaga,
true, the movement became gradually communist, and only after Batista's ousting. You pushed him in Moscow's arms for protection. You people just don't get it that there is democracy and market economy which is socially just. No, you rather understand that very well, but your agenda is the direct and unregulated exploitation of such countries by American capital.
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