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Quote:Canada's first Islamic subdivision


Welcome to Peace Village, Canada's first Islamic subdivision, where all 260 homes belong to members the Ahmadiyya sect, who flooded to Canada in the 1980s after persecution in Pakistan. It looks ordinary, with basketball nets and minivans in the driveways, until you notice the street signs: Mahmood Crescent, Ahmadiyya Avenue and Noor-Ud-Din Court.

"There is nothing like this in North America," boasts Naseer Ahmad, a real estate agent from Pakistan who dreamed up this community of Islamic dream homes (including oak stairs and central air conditioning) on the edge of Toronto. "You have a mosque, and people are walking to enjoy their faith."

The houses, with some modifications, such as increased ventilation (for spicy food) and separate living rooms for women and men, are so successful that, six years after Peace Village opened, Mr. Ahmad plans to double the mosque's size and is now selling 55 townhomes, 1,700 square feet each, for around $350,000 with a garage and a yard, as "Peace Village Phase II."

This should prove interesting; Vaughan and its surrounding areas have a huge Italian population.
Looks to be about the length and exploding truck would travel....
Quote:"You have a mosque, and people are walking to enjoy their faith."
That's scary, isn't it?
<shrugs>

I'm caring.

Look, if there's nothing out of the ordinary about the residents then no problem right?

Okay so lets say it get used at some point, even unknowingly, for nefarious purposes. S'alright because they're going to be real easy to find. No problem.

I mean dont get me wrong I'm not some PC princess. I'm not perfect. midgets freak me out and I don't trust white people - and I'm white, but I dont see the problem until there's a problem know what I mean?




Don't shoot till they raise the rifle.
Ahk
'peace village' :roll:

if I went to, say, Senegal, and build a "peace village" only for Christians and Agnostics, they'd call me a racist colonialist.

But as long as it's the West whose cultural inheritance gets destroyed, noone's allowed to run his mouth
It appears that they are simply banding together for solidarity. After all they are perhaps persecuted by fellow muslims more than anyone else.

Furthermore, I assume that the village is built on private property and they are exercising their right of association. If they are indeed peaceful, and I know practically nothing of the sect, then I say let them enjoy their security and well-being.

Wasn't there a group wishing to practice it's religion, in Waco Texan? We all know what happened there when the State decided to impose tyranny on them. And after the fact, it was shown that the reasons for killing them were unfounded.
I don't see how you can have a segregated community like that. When someone wants to sell,they exclude all but Muslims or do they not,but just let non Muslim know they're jihadis?
Quote:When someone wants to sell,they exclude all but Muslims or do they not...

I was wondering the same thing. I suspect that uberliberal canada has made provisions for minorities to practice discrimination forbidden to the standard canadian.

-S
Canada is changing in this regard. I really think Canucks are starting to wise up.

They toyed with the idea of allowing Muslims to adjudicate Islamic only problems,but I think they dropped the idea.

Canada is a wonderful nation,the people are great and NAIVE. Americans are very naive,too.

Both peoples are largely secular and irreligious,which causes Islamic ideas to be seen as silly and not dangerous to most of us. That is a very bad error in judgement. Islam means well to Islam,not to infidels.
So what would happen if a non-muslim wanted to move in?

Does Canada have an equal housing law?

What if I immigrated to Canada and made an All-White subdivision? (aside from not being able to live there myself.)

What about an All-Atheist one?

Or do Muslims have special rights?
Quote:So what would happen if a non-muslim wanted to move in?
Market forces, the Muezzin bawling from his tower being a powerful one.
Quote:What if I immigrated to Canada and made an All-White subdivision?
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Or do Muslims have special rights?

Apples and oranges. The subdivision isn't "brown" it's Muslim.

What about the Amish? There's another example of religiously segregated community.

I don't know about Toronto but here in Alberta they surely do have some religiously segregated communities: they're called Mormons.

Not saying I agree with the idea one way or another but it's not really like this is a "first" or only Muslims, or, for that matter, race determined.




Ahk
ank: so what about the all atheist one? I noticed you "..."ed that one away so you could say I was comparing apples and oranges.

What if I wanted a subdivision where no one worshiped god? Would I have to let them in? Could I at least ask them not to prance about and flaunt it?

Q-rat: If market forces are all that keeps infidels out of their little island of evil, good luck to them. The religious/ethnic purity of a neighborhood rarely holds.
Ahk,

We have a whole state of Mormons,but they can't keep us out of there and don't. A subdivision wouldn't be homogenous unless you can keep others out.

Is that not illegal there? The Mormon community,can they preclude you from living there if you wanted to?
Quote:ank: so what about the all atheist one? I noticed you "..."ed that one away so you could say I was comparing apples and oranges.
Well the apples and oranges perfectly fit the first statement. Nothing nefarious in that. This is a religious issue not a racial one. So comparing the idea of an all-white neighborhood to one designed with Muslims in mind, to me, is apples and oranges.

Secondly, well why not an atheist commune? Nothing new about this.


Quote:We have a whole state of Mormons,but they can't keep us out of there and don't.

You won't be able to keep people out of this subdivision either. If you read the story the people were already there, and by proxy of population this was already a "Muslim" neighborhood.



I have not seen the entire details here and they are sparse in the story, but I'm willing to bet you can't stop people from moving in there either if they aren't Muslim. It would be illegal. however,you'll notice there isn't anything in the story at all that indicates anyone can ban or stop any non-Muslim from living there.
If anyone sees something different please point it out to me.

The subdivision is simply designed with Muslims in mind.

Can we turn this around for a moment? What if this was an Amish subdivision. Would we still have a story? Non-smoking communities? "Dry" native reserves?


The only controversy I see here is local:
Quote:To the dismay of some locals, a demolition crew last year took down a United Church next to where Peace Village is growing. The changes have inspired Christians to reassert themselves: Across the highway, Italian-Canadians built "Vellore Woods" with a large Catholic church at its centre, mimicking Peace Village.

Oh. So it's a community religious pissing match. I mean seriously - ONE Muslim subdivision has caused local Christians to believe they need to "reassert" themselves? Phffft. No offense people but as I said before: I'm not caring. S1


Ahk
Hmmm...an argument over the validity of deed restrictions? Has everyone forgotten the brouhaha over the college town as a planned community down in Florida courtesy of the Domino's heir. Just where do people feel comfortable in placing lines between the right of Free Association and the superiority of legal principles enacted to protect the individual within society?
DR,

Yea,old Domino's ideas along these lines went up in smoke it seems. It wouldn't have bothered me at all if it had come to fruition.

Ahk,

IMO,Muslims are a special case. Their culture has incubated the insanity you've personally seen and Afghanistan is hardly the only example of the stuff you witnessed(not just brutality,but other repulsive stuff you likely witnessed).

IMO,the terrorist/jihadi phenomenon while dependent on individuals to make their choices,is driven by the Islamic culture,allowed by it,nurtured by it.

We westerners have our own versions,but our culture wars on them.

To allow them to set up their own neighborhoods,I fear will end up 30 years down the road along the lines of the Paris suburbs intifada and I mean this as your friends,not smart a.ss know it all Yanks. It's your country,not mine,but Muslims do not think like you do and it's a mistake to think all they want is to live and let live as Amish,Mormons,nudists,etc do.
I'm not blind to this:
Quote:To allow them to set up their own neighborhoods,I fear will end up 30 years down the road along the lines of the Paris suburbs intifada and I mean this as your friends,not smart a.ss know it all Yanks. It's your country,not mine,but Muslims do not think like you do and it's a mistake to think all they want is to live and let live as Amish,Mormons,nudists,etc do.

(how people in North America treat immigrants, imo, is a little better than they do in France - just sayin')


But I can't roll with this:
Quote:IMO,Muslims are a special case.

Until there's a problem caused by these people, in this case, in this subdivision. To stand up, despite all the other 'special interest' neighborhoods and say "No you cant because you're Muslims and the way the world is right now we just don't trust you"...I know you didnt say that, but that's how I believe it would be perceived and that's what it basically comes down to and I think that would be more damaging at this point.


Ahk
Ahk,

Well,you're asserting western thinking which is good,but I am taking the view that we already know what Islam is teaching about western values of personal freedom, including homosexuals,female equality,etc.

Understanding it's history,I feel Muslims are loyal to a cause that is inherently anti western. So,I don't afford Muslims the tolerance I do Jews,Christians,Hindus,nudists,homosexuals,atheists,wiccans,etc.
I think this one's interesting:

Quote:Halal food hard to swallow at UTSC

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The result of numerous faculty, staff and student requests, the new menu was introduced to the campus on May 29, making all chicken and beef options certified halal. Despite this, many MSA members say that any establishment that also serves alcohol and plays dance music is an unsuitable environment for their dietary needs.
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http://www.thevarsity.ca/article/624

That's how it goes, if you allow certain special rights, they want more. One day you'll have to wear the burqa to not insult them when they're having a halal lunch
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