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Bret Stephens has another take on the Syrian attack by Israel.
Lots of speculation it was a nuclear oriented problem. We probably won't know ever.
I don't know how credible America "sharing intell" with anyone is. How could we know anything about a foreign state? We never have. We didn't know the USSR was collapsing,we didn't know Pakistan and India were nuking up,we thought Saddam had WMD,etc.

Israel may have had help,but I seriously doubt we knew enough to help. Our CIA has lots of failure badges to hand out since 1950.

Here's another idea:

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Palladin Wrote:I don't know how credible America "sharing intell" with anyone is. How could we know anything about a foreign state? We never have. We didn't know the USSR was collapsing,we didn't know Pakistan and India were nuking up,we thought Saddam had WMD,etc.

Israel may have had help,but I seriously doubt we knew enough to help. Our CIA has lots of failure badges to hand out since 1950.

Here's another idea:

HERE

Not sure where you are going there buddy. They apparently let us know what they were planning before they pulled the trigger. Remember that in the last few serious conflicts the had to contend with the possibility of triggering a global war with USSR. I'd call it good (prudent) form. You're at cross purposes here my friend. On one hand you criticize how blind we are ... on the other you apparently criticize Israel for "opening our eyes".
I find it entirely credible, this version. The Isreali are perhaps the best at "on the ground-hands on" operations. They could have gotten there in any number of ways, and it would most likely involved at least one American or dual citizenship individual to act as verification.
I said WE did not inform Israel,I did not say Israel did not inform us. It makes little logic the United States knows what is going on internally in Syria to me. How could we,we knew nothing about Iraq and we've "studied" Iraq since 1990 intensely.

I did not say Israel didn't succeed or did succeed,I simply stated the US CIA is a low quality producer of information so it's illogical to assume WE informed the Israelis.

Much more likely they informed us. Their intell system works at times. I most certainly did not criticize Israel for telling us anything or doing anything,I was just showing my intense disrespect for this organization called the CIA. It's been an awful producer of information since it's inception.
It gets more and more fantastic. The Entebbe raid was enough,imagining a handful of special forces IDF troopers lifted serious quantities of U235 or PU 238 from northern Syria is beyond ludicrous,IMO.

This is becoming a pretty wild story and likely in error,IMO.

I guess the troops had cranes to handle the always safe shieldcasks this stuff has to be in and all. NOT. The Times has fallen for some really fantastic 4 type work on the IDF behalf!
Syrian reaction: forget about peace.

(Both countries are officially in the state of war).
Boy,that's scary ain't it? Although I am sure half the Jews in Israel are infected with insanity such that this will hurt their feelings and cause loss of sleep.
Yeah, that's right. Since taking Golan, they have been eaten up with dispair and remorse for their actions.
John,

Close to 50% would give it back with a promise of peace I think,that's what I meant.
Palladin Wrote:John,

Close to 50% would give it back with a promise of peace I think,that's what I meant.

I was not being serious there Patrick.
John,

It's still a serious problem though. Of all humanity,Israeli Jews ought to be the most objective due to experiences.

Here's another view of the cause and affect of what occurred:

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Palladin Wrote:John,

It's still a serious problem though. Of all humanity,Israeli Jews ought to be the most objective due to experiences.

Here's another view of the cause and affect of what occurred:

HERE

Bad eye sight?
According to Debka, Iran threatened Turkey over the Israeli raid, see. I'd always like to see a confirmation from another source on items like this...
Here's a discussion of the failure of the Russki air defense systems. During the 1972 air war between Israel and Egypt,Hosni Mubarak reported that Russki advisors constantly complained about the Egyptian pilots and their lack of professionalism.

Mubarak invited the Russki to suit up and make sorties on their own w/o Egyptians being involved. They did and lost more pilots than the Egyptians did. I think this system is behind the times technically,it isn't the Syrians.
Palladin Wrote:Here's a discussion of the failure of the Russki air defense systems. During the 1972 air war between Israel and Egypt,Hosni Mubarak reported that Russki advisors constantly complained about the Egyptian pilots and their lack of professionalism.

Mubarak invited the Russki to suit up and make sorties on their own w/o Egyptians being involved. They did and lost more pilots than the Egyptians did. I think this system is behind the times technically,it isn't the Syrians.

It's probably a combination of the two.
John,

I guess,but I can't help but think the system is behind the technical curve.
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