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Drop 'middle-class' academic subjects says schools adviser
Quote:Children should no longer be taught traditional subjects at school because they are "middle-class" creations, a Government adviser will claim today.

Professor John White, who contributed to a controversial shake-up of the secondary curriculum, believes lessons should instead cover a series of personal skills.

Pupils would no longer study history, geography and science but learn skills such as energy- saving and civic responsibility through projects and themes.

England has captured the lead in the PC race.
Oh my God!
scpg02 Wrote:Oh my God!
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Well...

The IPCC will take responsibility for much of the teaching in UK schools...

/track_snake
scpg02 Wrote:Oh my God!

My thinking exactly!
track_snake Wrote:
scpg02 Wrote:Oh my God!
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Well...

The IPCC will take responsibility for much of the teaching in UK schools...

/track_snake

Such sarcasm. :lol:
Quote:The aims include fostering a model pupil who "values personal relationships, is a responsible and caring citizen, is entrepreneurial, able to manage risk and committed to sustainable development".
A holistic approach to education, sounds admirable to me.
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:
Quote:The aims include fostering a model pupil who "values personal relationships, is a responsible and caring citizen, is entrepreneurial, able to manage risk and committed to sustainable development".
A holistic approach to education, sounds admirable to me.

Sure, it Sounds admirable to anyone. However, it is Results that really matter.

The article also Wrote:Pupils would no longer study history, geography and science but learn skills such as energy- saving and civic responsibility through projects and themes.

In other words, a population of ignorant, placid, 'feel good' people, who will fit into the Collective, and 'supposidly' not have any Selfish, Individualistic urges.

I think that is a classic example of Utopianism. Definately Admirable for the consumate Collectivist.
Actually, wouldn't one need to study history, geography and science in order to fully understand energy-saving and civic responsibility?



I'm thinking the people who are attempting to set this educational proceedure don't understand history, geography, science, energy-saving or civic responsibility.
John Wrote:However, it is Results that really matter.
I think most observers would agree that 'results' from the present education system in the UK, and for that matter in the US, would suggest the current system isn't working; they are already generating "a population of ignorant, placid, 'feel good' people".

Whilst I might not agree with Professor White's taking aim at teaching "traditional subjects", there is much that's right with education by subject, I do think education should be more holistic. So teaching "skills such as energy-saving and civic responsibility" would actually put science, economics and political history into a contemporary framework that resonates with daily life and experience.

JohnWho Wrote:I'm thinking the people who are attempting to set this educational proceedure don't understand history, geography, science, energy-saving or civic responsibility.
Actually it's more a case of Daily Mail knee-jerk reaction, I suggest they've not really thought about what Professor White is actually proposing.
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:I think most observers would agree that 'results' from the present education system in the UK, and for that matter in the US, would suggest the current system isn't working; ...

Is this because of "what" is being taught, or "how" it is being taught?
It depends on the substance of the new subjects. TEaching for instance 'civic responsibility' isn't bad as long as there's actual work and learning involved, IMO.
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:I think most observers would agree that 'results' from the present education system in the UK, and for that matter in the US, would suggest the current system isn't working; they are already generating "a population of ignorant, placid, 'feel good' people".

That's all part of the plan. If education is the key to a free society then in order to take that freedom without protest you must kill education.
JohnWho Wrote:Is this because of "what" is being taught, or "how" it is being taught?
Certainly in the UK it's a bit of both, but there is a real problem with understanding egalitarianism; whilst all should have equal opportunity it is unrealistic to expect equal outcome. The UK's national syllabus has been debased in order to allow more to gain University entrance.
Is this similar to the idea that we need absurd extremism to wake up the public and react to force the policy makers back to reality? More and more of Europe is rejecting the socialistic Left and voting in more conservative leaders.
WmLambert Wrote:More and more of Europe is rejecting the socialistic Left and voting in more conservative leaders.
I wouldn't read too much into that, all governments have a shelf life, and even successful governments eventually get voted out, the electorate gets bored.
As for rejecting the "socialistic Left", in Europe that's only to vote in the 'socialistic' right 8)
The easiest way for people to learn soft skills is to get a job.

One of my biggest complaints here in Germany is that too few teenagers and young adults pursuing academic careers have any work experience prior to leaving college. So while they may know their subject they suck in the workplace. They don't understand how to communicate effectively with co-workers, superiors and clients often treating them all the same. Any job from McD's to construction would teach these kids the very minimum on soft skills. Their required 4 week internships during college sure don't get the job done.

It is hard to teach responsibility but easy to force it. More work. more hard work is the answer.
lol

This is great - while Science, History and Geography may be subjects that might not get you the as a Computer Engineer, they are so useful in understand the world around you.

Wait, understanding, is that what teaching is about.

Frankly, I am all about being an apprentice. You learn job skills while doing it under proper supervision, and while you're career is being built, a course in the three other subjects would be an add-on so as to make one a rounded individual. Thats just one avenue.

Obviously, one doesn't become a rocket scientist or what-not without proper schooling, but I am speaking for most of the middle class blue collar jobs or small-time white collar jobs. Even with the higher-skill level jobs, as TheMan said, putting someone in some sort of job environment is the best way to teach them how to work, Why being an apprentice works great - also why the Army does the same things.

I didn't learn all there is to know about vehicles in the US Army through the schooling, just the basics there, but through working in the motorpool over time. Same goes with recovery assets. By learning the right way to do something from a more skilled individual, it becomes your way too (unless of course, you find a better way to do it - then you pass that down, ever refining).

Frankly, there are so many avenues of schooling out there to eliminate or make mandatory one or two for the masses would be a big problem.

That's why I am all about Freedom in getting an education, with a broad array of subjects. The UK system restricts this - much to the delight of a few up in certain places.

I didn't learn but 40% of the stuff I know now in a "public school".

By cutting what we learn in school, however little it may be in the scope of things, we cut down ourselves. Perhaps if the students were taught a bit better history and social science, they might see what's going in their society and school system.

Can't have that these days I guess. Especially in trying to perfect the
perfect society".

I hope that this doesn't seep in from across the pond - last thing the US needs is to be like the UK, or like California, in restricting the freedom of mind.
This same phenomenon is coming to America,just wait probably a couple of more years. It's in Canada already:

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Canada does not have the same paradigm of free speech we do,so it will take a longer and tougher course here,but it will get here.

You would need to have been blind as a bat not to see this coming to the USA for years now. It's been clear for years one could not speak openly of race unless one automatically blamed all black problems on we white "racists".

Anon right here claimed we who won't vote for Obama are racists and he's white,it's permeating the culture slowly but steadily. I guess this is what we taxpaying Christians get out of our public taxes,Marxian educational ethos for our youth.

The gay and female activist communities have moved aggressively in the last 3 decades and Muslims and earth worshipping clowns are not far behind.

There are very few "open" categories for discussion w/o severe cultural retribution. Even to oppose AGW we are accused of various high evils and shouted down as child molestors or Hitlerites. The one I am aware of we can ridicule w/o retribution are white, Christian,heterosexual ,males. Not many else are open to debate.

This will turn into oppression given time as it is in Europe and now Canada.

The 1st amendment will be seen by the left SCOTUS we will be given as NOT meaning denigrating any culture,ethnicity,religion with the exception of Christianity,etc. I personally have stopped with the "Europe" is losing her religion meme,we're just steps behind her.

The saddest fact of all in this is America,unlike Europe, is still chock full of Christians across the board and we of all people ought to know better,but we do not know better, largely. That is a dangerous thought for us and our nation,IMO.

Incidentally,I have a co-worker who is a bi - sexual lady,her and I have been close friends for years and she flatly agrees with what I just stated. Anyone with eyes and ears knows it's true. It's coming to America fast,been here for a while.
Palladin Wrote:Canada does not have the same paradigm of free speech we do,so it will take a longer and tougher course here,but it will get here.

Just wait for HR 1955 to pass.
I'll bet that there is more to this than what meets the eye. I suspect there is a more deep seated ambivalence involved. Here, read this article, about how east Europeans are beating out blokes, within their own country.

Obviously east Europeans are not alergic to the work ethic, and are not as spoiled by the Welfare State either. Does that tell you something about the Nanny State, and Collectivist Idealogy in general?
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