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The videos of the newly opened PKK news bureau building was broadcasted by Türkmeneli Television of Northern Iraq. The building walls has many posters with PKK propaganda against Turkey, Syria and Iran and Ocalan's pictures are hanging at nearby walls. The building also has a tall shortwave antenna.

Turkish media is asking what would be US A's reaction if one of the Iraq's neighbor countries permitted a news bureau run by Answar al Islam?
How in the Devil are they allowed to get away with that? they are an officially recognized terrorist group. This cleraly makes no logical sense to me. Shock
i think we might be allowing this to happen in case they decide to wage war within Iraq and further complicate things...

still, this is NOT a good thing.
Listen UP!!! Iraq is a sovereign nation,someone tell Turkey that,America does not occupy Iraq,we do not rule Iraq. This did not occur when we DID rule Iraq.

The United States has no more business trying to close this than we do trying to close some dumbsh.it association in Basra,it is NOT our nation.

We are there at the temporary invite of the elected government,this is THEIR responsibility. But,as usual Turks blame America.

What else is new? Join the chorus!

Speaking of Ansar Islam,they used to have a base in Iraq,I don't recall Turkey giving a S.HIT about that in 2003,remember? What goes around comes around,treat us like sh.it,don't expect a sloppy wet kiss in reply!
PKK may be the good guys now:

MENL today Wrote:NICOSIA [MENL] -- Iran has accused Kurdish insurgents of attacking border troops.

Iranian officials said fighters from the Kurdish Workers Party have launched strikes on military targets along the border with Turkey. They said the strikes have come amid increased Iranian border security measures.

On July 26, three Iranian soldiers were killed in an ambush near the northwestern town of Oshnoviyeh along the Turkish border. The Iranian Interior Ministry attributed the attack to the PKK.

"Three soldiers were martyred," ministry spokesman Jahanbakhsh Khanjani said. "Terrorists from the PKK carried out the ambush."

If you fail to understand the shifting nature of the enemy, reread 1984.
The Kurds of Syria might become aggressive,if at all possible they should be armed and supported logistically and with air strikes if needed,Syria has gotten away too long with their assist to the terrorists.

Iran has a strategic loss if their Kurds seperated due to their sea access,which would preclude Iran from having the Caspian Sea oil deposits.

I can't make up my mind about Iran,it seems illogical for them to protect or assist al qaeda,yet I continue to read of some Iranian assistance.
in the late 1970s and early 1980s. PKK exaggerated their numbers to Russians and they got enough weapons to supply a well armed army of 50, 000 soldiers. Of course through their own sales, and through capture of these arms by Turkish soldiers majority of these Russian supplied arms ended up in Afghanistan used to kill Russian soldiers.

We are already seeing splits in the two main Kurdish groups in N. Iraq, as always major conflicts will break out between these two and other Kurdish groups temporarily will align themselves with whom they think might have an upper hand.

Even though inflation has hit the N.Iraq Kurdish black market weapons sales. Anybody with some money still can purchase grenades, C-4 explosives, mines, mortars, etc. in the Kurdish markets for less than manufactured costs. There are no questions asked where these weapons will be used.
Kamil,

Turkey better hope these PKK terrorists don't learn the artillery shell IED setup.

If I lived in Iraq and was on the terror side,it's all I would do,I would NEVER face the enemy with a rifle,that's always a losing deal for the bad guys.

Word has it Hezzbollah is where the tehcnique came from for the current IED.

Speaking of inflation,Michael Yon reports arms are WAY more expensive now than 18 months ago. The supply is starting to head south,finally.
Quote:Word has it Hezzbollah is where the tehcnique came from for the current IED.
Saddam's Mukhabarat had plenty of expertise with a wide variety of sophisticated IEDs - the innovation did not need to be imported from Hizballah.

FYI, Hizballah obtained their jump on IED tech effectiveness from the ANC. Now, the ANC used a variety of mines as opposed to IEDs - although most of the mines were modified for specific uses by the ANC. Where they truly influenced Hizballah was in their tactical application to precisely destroy certain key vehicles in military and police patrols. The South Africans developed a family of high-riding vehicles with heavily armored underbellys to deal with the threat.

Hizballah took it further, developing simple, yet effective, methods of disguising the devices - such as using a common hollow styrofoam rock within which the IED was constructed, then painted to blend in with the terrain. They were extremely effective, even successfully killing the IDF general in charge of South Lebanon at one point.

During my time in northern Iraq during the Provide Comfort years, I personally saw many devices the Mukhabarat attempted to emplace in the hope of sowing strife amongst the Kurds - this included IEDs constructed from hair dryers, cigarette cartons, flashlights, radios, propane heaters, etc. etc. I also experienced my very first carbombing - a vicious VBIED in the Zakho moneychangers' marketplace in Feb '95, which killed over 100, and wounded nearly 200 more.

Of course, many of those who died, died because the Turkish government refused to permit ambulances with emergency medical supplies across the border until the day after the bombing. The one hospital in Zakho had no limited generator power, no hot water, extremely limited supplies, and minimal trained staff - they were quickly overwhelmed. Our two SF medics emptied our supply room and did incredible work until the wee hours treating casualties.

The Turkish government also refused to permit the post-blast investigator across the border until two weeks after the incident. As you can guess, there was little of value to be gained from the scene by then.

Two points from my rambling, I guess.....


1. The Iraqi "resistance" doesn't need influence from Hizbollah or anyone else in the building of IEDs. There is plenty of indigenous expertise, and they are getting a great deal of experience in what is effective and what is not.

2. I'm sick and tired of hearing regurgitated second-and-third hand Turkish nationalist nonsense about northern Iraq - it ain't their country, they should just STFU. Turkish efforts to destabilize the region really piss me off. I could go on and on with stories about Turkish governmental and military dirty deeds in northern Iraq during the two years I worked there in the mid-'90s (in four six-month rotations). Not to mention what is going on currently.
if one terrorist organization learns to use a new terror device, all the terrorist organizations know how to use it very shortly.

As far as I know, the aim of terrorist organizations is to create anarchy in the country, and hope to gain upper hand during the turmoil.

All terrorist organizations cooperate with each other to a certain degree to achieve anarchy. Since Spanish Civil War we have seen these cooperation among different terrorist organizations even when they have different long term goals for the country that they are terrorizing.

No country could support a certain terrorist organization without hurting themselves at the end.

Recently, there were two attempts to use massive explosives in Turkey to assassinate two Kurdish mayors who were not supporting PKK. Luckily, somehow Turkish secret police got hold of the codes the PKK was going to use to set off these explosives, and activated the explosives prematurely.
It is true that all terror orgs seem to work together. We've seen PIRA guys in Colombia with the FARC caught by the Junglas force there. A General stated the other day that we had several PIRA and FARC guys in our custody IN IRAQ.

I have often thought the mainstream opponent in Iraq probably is the Mukhbarat. Heck,adding in the torturers and all,I bet they had 100,000 people right there. Add in jihadis,foreigners and xenophobes,I bet we're really facing a few hundred thousand part time terrorists.

As far as Kurds and Turks go. I can understand Turk hostility to Kurds and vice versa. I take the position Jed does about Iraq NOT being Turkey and Turkey is over bearing towards Kurds,I know Kamil disagrees,but I've read too much to buy the Turk propaganda. There is a book out called "Plan of Attack" written by WaPo reporter Woodward.

Lots of it is opinion,but there is a rendition of the CIA agent setting up a base in Iraqi Kurdistan in late 2002 and the Turks tried every way in the world to stop him and disrupt him. They expressed their hatred of ALL Kurds,not just the PKK,so I know Kamil's views are naive.

On the other hand,I say Turkey has 100% rights to protect Turkey from Kurd seperatism as we did in America in 1861. They also have the right to protect their citizens from terrorism,but I frankly think the claim that the PKK is operating out of Iraq is overblown and is PR,the fact is Turkey cannot whip the Kurds and it's not enough to tell the nation,"We can't finalize this war,it will go on as long as Kurds exist in Turkey and do not have independence". They have to find various excuses,we act the same way,claiming most the resistance in Iraq is foreign when they play a small role,numerically.

Turks can't face reality anymore than Americans can in conflict. The fact is America faces a war of permanent continuity ,ebbing and flowing over time,but we will NEVER win a war against Islamic extremism,we can minimize it's potential like we can minimize the potential of of eczema with medicine,but you can't make it go away.

Same with Kurds in Turkey,they are not loyal to Turkey,they never will be loyal to Turkey and they never will stop acting out their beliefs. Palestinians and Jews,same deal.
I'm not naive in the issue of Kurds, actually I think I'm informed in that issue more than most people due to having direct interests.

First of all I have family friends who are Kurds, I have an aunt who is Kurdish, I followed the recent EU monitored election in Turkey particularly in Southern Turkey with great interest.

The election results clearly showed that even moderate Kurdish parties did not have any support from the Turks with Kurdish backgrounds. Combined votes that Kurdish parties got was less than 3% while Kurdish voters make up 12% of the electorate. Many Kurds got elected to the Turkish parliament, but all of them were in the mainstream Turkish parties. Now these Kurdish politicians are targeted for terrorism by the PKK.
Kamil,

The thing is,if most all Kurds are loyal to Turkey,these PKK guys,just like the Iraqi terrorists,would be found out and evaporated real quick.

The truth is most Kurds either support their cause or don't care enough to oppose them. Most Sunni Arabs support Zarqawi's cause,let's just face reality here. If a majority of Kurds supported the Turkish central authority,don't you think they would see the armed PKK guys and rat them out via phones?

It's been over 30 years Kamil,you have to start facing reality at some point. I understand that the PKK attacks good Kurds,but they could not operate that long without tons of communal support,no more than Zarqawi can in Iraq.

I think Kurds everywhere are not loyal to their nations,they simply feel like a nation themselves. They don't want to be Iranians,Iraqis,Turks or Syrians,they want to be Kurds with all that entails.
PKK to Disarm Again
By Habib Guler, Murat Gezer
Published: Thursday, August 18, 2005
zaman.com


It has been claimed that the terrorist organization Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK- Kongra-Gel) is to disarm. The organization holding a news conference in Brussels will announce the decision to disarm. Mesopotamia News Agency, known for its relationship with the PKK, announced that Kongra-Gel leader and former Party of Democracy (DEP) deputy Zubeyir Aydar will reveal their future attitude at the international news conference in Brussels. According to the information, Kongra-Gel will call on Turkey to implement the formula of Britain that disarmed the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The terrorist organization ended armed attacks with the arrest of terrorist leader Abdullah Ocalan in 1999, but they began their attacks again on 1 June 2004.

Diyarbakir Metropolitan Mayor Osman Baydemir told Zaman that the decisions would be taken within a few days. Signaling the end of the violent atmosphere, Baydemir went on: "Common sense will prevail. I am ready to knock on the door of anyone who will contribute to establishing social peace whoever they are."

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's initiative last week on the Kurdish issue and his messages during his Diyarbakir visit include those making politics on ethnic bases and terrorist organizations into the process of a new evaluation. Public calls for disarmament have also influenced the PKK militants in the Kandil Mountain in northern Iraq. While Aydar will call on the Turkish government to implement the British formula, Ankara does not want to accept conditions before beginning dialogue with PKK members affirmative. The terrorist organization will reportedly demand a review of the jail conditions of PKK leader Ocalan and legal arrangements for an amnesty on militants.
Is this another IRA-style gimmick? Thats the first thing that comes to my mind when I read this.
I suspect this is a bad mistranslation.

I've seen a slightly different version a couple of days ago: PKK will disarm if Turkey first fullfills a number of conditions....==> this is just a PR move to show that Turkey is at fault.
Today's analysis on PKK from Stratfor is basically an obituary.

Quote:The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) on Aug. 19 called a one-month cease-fire in its renewed fight against the Turkish government. Changes in the last month in Ankara, Washington and northern Iraq have pulled the rug out from under the PKK and left the group with little choice but to sue for peace.

Analysis

On Aug. 19, the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a militant separatist group seeking independence from Ankara for Kurds in southeast Turkey, declared a one-month cease-fire with Ankara. The announcement follows an Aug. 11 statement that a cease-fire was possible in return for guarantees of Kurdish rights and an end to Turkish military attacks against separatists.
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Only 8 days between the two anno,...
M,

Stratfor's analysis seems flawed to me. I know pretty much what is happening with our forces in Iraq. I do not think we either have moved or have the soldiers to spare to attack deep into the mountains close to Turkey's border to literally cause the PKK to fold the tent.

Maybe the Iraqi Kurds have,but I really seriously doubt it as Kurds hate Turks,period. It is not believable to me that they went and fought their ethnic brothers to help Turkey.

The PKK may be shot and I hope it is,but I don't have any evidence we caused it in any way and I don't think Stratfor does either.
P,

Quote: I do not think we either have moved or have the soldiers to spare to attack deep into the mountains close to Turkey's border to literally cause the PKK to fold the tent.

I don't think we did or will either, but Stratfor did not say this either.

It is simply illogical for the Iraqi Kurds to allow PKK (with its very remote prospects in Turkey) to undermine the Iraqi Kurd prospects for semi-independence in any way, so they took the US warnings seriously.

Of course, if they get what they want in Iraq, a couple of years from now there will be no restrains on PKK.
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