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It is taken as truth by so many today, that the world is not only interconnected, but fated to become ever more so. This is then used as the basis for many sweepeing assumptions.

I believe that this is crap. The fact is, the world is becoming ever more fragmented as the differences between individuals and groups grow more and more pronounced even though technology makes it ever easier to see what others have. Indeed, it is my theory that this combination of visual information combined with defacto stratification is one the prime factors behind the rise of both anti-americanism and islamo-facism.

The fact is, the U.S. as a society is pulling away from everyone else. Not only are we dominant technologically, intellectually, economicaly and militarily but, as a trend, our dominance is actually growing. Others, sensing they are being left behind grow panicky and hostile because they see the results of our culture but do not actually uderstand our culture.

What do you think?
Yankeecat: I am in basic agreement with your assement. Let me add some of my own comments.

The interconnections seems to most strong in commerical and financial ties. For example, in trade, investments (the flow of money), multinational companies. All these exist at the whim of the local government.

Culturually, interconnectedness looks like a mixed bag to me. It waxes and wanes.

Similarities: In countries with new rich and emerging middle classes, the aspirations of this section of their population seem to be to attain the creature comforts and imitate the conspicuous consumption of the well off West. Even poor folks in India and China instantly want cell phones, TV, AC, refrigerators, scooters or cars and such (when they can afford them), just as the poor folks in the US wanted similar enhancements to life after the great depression. However, the local government must allow this to happen.

Differences: due to ethnic/cultural differences and good communication, groups with like interests can now coalesce and agitate for what (non material things) they want, assuming their government lets them do that, or they have the courage to persist. As it is easy to see from recent history, cultural and ideological differences can trump creature comforts. It is easy to list many places where fragmentation/separatist forces are strong, even in the UK.

I have to agree that the US leads and is pulling away from everyone else in many areas. Since the cultural elites in the west have reduced art to a bad joke, I am not goiing to opine who is ahead in the race to artistic insignificance. Some of the others may be panicy, but I think that a great deal of the carping we hear is sour grapes or an effort to "intimidate" us into being less inventive or less strong. Of course India is trying to rip off our pharmaceutical industry and China is trying to rip off whatever they can get away with. Europe tries to hamstring the US every way it can, and broadcasts its supposed moral superiority, probably in revery of their past "glory", but at least they are not theives of intellecutal property.

If you read the Financial Times (London based), you will see the situation clearly. The FT deplores our military strength (except when it is needed, of course) yet (being British) touts liberal (in the old sense) capitalism and derides the rest of Europe as economically backward.
I think that by communications alone, the world is far more interconnected than ever before. Politically, the trends are both ways: the European Union coalescing, breakaway republics, and the Soviet Union breaking up. Financially, very interconnected. Here in Thailand, the new technocrat who heads the central bank finds herself unable to control the value of the currency because of external speculators. The ownership of US treasury bonds, companies like GM and Ford constantly being bailed out by their foreign subsidiaries, all the free trade agreements - very much an interconnected world.

The dominance of the USA may depend on the world's willingness to buy treasury bonds. Period.
You are absolutely correct. What so many seem not to understand is the true nature of the world situation. For instance, the EU has much hgher levels of public debt than the US on average (explicit plus implicit) generally lower rates of growth and a population which is going to shrink from 500 million to 430 million over the next century while the U.S. population will grow from 300 to 500 million. In addition and more importantly, the US is now an information age economy while europe is still mired in the industrial age relying on stagnant dying industries like auto manufacture for it's sustenence.

Further, there have been numerous studies done which show that Americans simply "get" and utilize the new paradigm much more completely than anyone else. Hence, our superiority is actually increasing. Much of the anti-americanism in the world is that the rest of the planet knows this or in the case of the ignorant, sense this and is in a panic about it... fear turns to rage.

I predict 10 years from now the U.S. will be further ahead than now. In fact, the present time reminds me a great deal of the 70's under Carter, and incompetent U.S. administration and the French htrumpeting the end of the U.S. while Japan was on the rise...

The result will be similiar. The U.S. will solve it's petroleum problem, really our only weakness, we will make strucutral changes like enacting univeral health care (which will again save us a great deal of money), and the differences in the our culture of creativity, diversity and acceptance of change will triumph over the rest of the planet's fear of change and love of the static and of the illusion they wrap themselves in.
Yankeecat Wrote:The U.S. will solve it's petroleum problem, really our only weakness.
Which is why it is SO important to win in Iraq. I'm afraid if we don't (because of the defeatocrats wanting to withdraw) we're going to be in for a wild ride...and it'll all be downhill.
A couple of little truth's which seem never to be mentioned by what is styled the "press."

1- No U.S. president can afford a defeat in Iraq. Hillary knows this just as well as Dubya. Whatever they say during the campaign, the truth is we will stay until we win and then take down the Iranians who are the French of the middle east (legends in their own minds who are much better talkers than fighters).

2- Most governments in the region acually fear a U.S. defeat, despite the fact they will never say so publically.

3- The U.S. public is not really against the war, they are against failure in the war (this is a particularly American trait very misunderstood by foriegners).
In the summer of 2005, I took month long vacation in China. during that time, and had a planned itinerary with a guide and driver at each destination. I made exactly one change to my plans, one evening, I decided against the night train from one city to another and decided to go back to my starting point that day and to fly to the second city in the morning. I told my guide of the change, she was stunned, she stuttered, "But that it not the plan, you must follow the plan." I said the plan was changed and to get it done. Believe it or not, Beiing had to be called and the plan could not be changed until the next morning when Beijing had spoken to me and again heard my orders.

Will China be the next superpower, not in this reality...
Yankeecat Wrote:A couple of little truth's which seem never to be mentioned by what is styled the "press."

3- The U.S. public is not really against the war, they are against failure in the war (this is a particularly American trait very misunderstood by foriegners).

Not so clear to me. Lots of peaceniks and "peace at any price" Democrats and media. Would you care to explain?
As the British military historian John Keegan has observed, Americans are not a martial people, we are a laconic and stoic people who are impatient and like clear cut quick and definitive results. We wage war not as an act of passion, glory or ideology but, as a task which in our businesslike way must be successfully completed. This, says Keegan, is what makes Americans so "terrifying" in war. Indeed, we have built our country this way and war has often been our tool of choice.

When you talk to Americans, even most of those against the war and really listen to what they are angry about, it is not really that we are at war but that we have waged war ineffectively and wastefully. Just listen to the verbage used and you will see what I mean.

For instance, when you talk to Vietnam vets, they really do not bemoan their losses, they bemoan their losses in a cause most of them will opine could have been won had they been allowed to do so.

In other words, it is not defeat Americans fear but failure. The greatest evil in American culture is failure, which can only be redeemed with a greater success (redemption being another biggie for us Yanks). Which is exactly why I would be very very very worried if I were one of the mullahs running Iran. I say without bluster or exaggeration, their demise will be swift, brutal and total.
Yankeecat Wrote:In the summer of 2005, I took month long vacation in China. during that time, and had a planned itinerary with a guide and driver at each destination. I made exactly one change to my plans, one evening, I decided against the night train from one city to another and decided to go back to my starting point that day and to fly to the second city in the morning. I told my guide of the change, she was stunned, she stuttered, "But that it not the plan, you must follow the plan." I said the plan was changed and to get it done. Believe it or not, Beiing had to be called and the plan could not be changed until the next morning when Beijing had spoken to me and again heard my orders.

Will China be the next superpower, not in this reality...
I'm not sure that's a measure of a superpower. I want to visit Russia in June, and the govt. is simply against tourists. I've made two trips to China where I met my best friend, who's a native of Shianghai. We went where we wished, such as taking a train to the next province, with no problem. However, I agree that control in China is still far too centralized for them to become a certain type of superpower unless they change drastically, which is unlikely. Russia was a superpower with that kind of central control. China could become a superpower even with central control and a vast, impoverished peasantry.

Your comments about the American mentality about waging war are interesting. Pragmatism is one of the few philosophies that started in the USA. If it works, it's real. If it works, it succeeds, efficiently and effectively. Even the Korean war wasn't effective (we didn't 'win' the war, we just prevented the Communists from taking over the south). The war in Vietnam surely was ineffective, a defeat, a failure. Iraq, same.
Quote:The fact is, the U.S. as a society is pulling away from everyone else. Not only are we dominant technologically, intellectually, economicaly and militarily but, as a trend, our dominance is actually growing. Others, sensing they are being left behind grow panicky and hostile because they see the results of our culture but do not actually uderstand our culture.
Yankeecat, let me be clear, I despise you. If I compare your manure with the one of Osama you can occasionally watch on TV, you are more of a loudmouth. I assure you a lot of fellow Europeans share this opinion. Give me a reason why I or we would side with a figure like you? Don't bother asking. It's like a drop of oil in a lake, one of your sort pollutes an army of millions of decent Americans.

Quote:In other words, it is not defeat Americans fear but failure. The greatest evil in American culture is failure, which can only be redeemed with a greater success (redemption being another biggie for us Yanks). Which is exactly why I would be very very very worried if I were one of the mullahs running Iran. I say without bluster or exaggeration, their demise will be swift, brutal and total.
You are in for some more great evils, and we will enjoy them greatly.
All you want, I have exposed you for what you are, angry, ignorant, unable to reason past an adolescent level... you don't understand even the basics of what you are talking about.

As for your fellow europeans, the kind you are referring to, they are as emotionally dishonest and intellectually vapid as yourself which is why increasingly europeans are treated like the ineffectual twits they are by so many in the world.

The truth is you despise me and despise Americans because we are everything you are not but secretly wish you were.

I pity you...

P.S. Next time you need you balls pulled out of the fire (Bosnia, Kosovo) please don't call us.
You have started some interesting topics, yankeecat, and are more articulate than some other irrate posters suffering from patriotic flatulence.

But frankly, you've mostly "exposed" your own bias and selfcentered narcissism as yet another big-headed yank so far.
It is interesting how those who have "opted out" of European society spend so much time here praising it and discussing its advantages over that of the USA. Is it perhaps its primary advantage that it continues to provide the funds required to stay away from there?
You are emptying your shot-gun in the wrong direction here. S2
And it's entirely unrelated to my comment as well.
Southern Comfort is a nice drink, isn't it? S6

Sure, I have positive things to say about Europe and my homecountry, anything objectionable here? - a US 'patriot' should have some basic understanding of this, even if he himself is an expat who admittedly himself doesn't fit into society. Wink1

The oversimplified assertions of the OP caused me to make my earlier comment. It's high time to get off your high horses bragging about your self-assured achievements and start looking at affairs from a different perspective.
Drop that binary thinking and the cocky "winning" attitude.
Considering others may benefit you in the long run...

'nuff said.
It's time to see the world for what it really is and european for what they really are, dishonest, delusional, racist and parasitic and to leave them to their own devices.
Unlike Yank here, I am more optimistic. I believe that you Euros will finally get your acts together. You will have no other choice, except to commit Sepuku. After all, you(third person) have been trying your damnest to bring us down to your level, to no effect. Sooner or later, a complete change will be necessary, and the longer the wait, the more the necessary change.

But I am an optimist, so I will just sit back and watch the numbers slowly change in YOUR favour. Fortunately all that Franco-German Socialism/Collectivism will be the loser for it. YEAH!!! 8)
John L Wrote:After all, you(third person) have been trying your damnest to bring us down to your level, to no effect. Sooner or later, a complete change will be necessary, and the longer the wait, the more the necessary change.
I'd pray to god, if I thought there was one, not to let us sink to the level of spouting clueless platitudes and succumb to the intolerant superiority complex of the rightwing Jane Americanos. :lol:
But we are right-wing Jane Americo's who haven't put 6 million people in ovens to bake...
Yankeecat Wrote:But we are right-wing Jane Americo's who haven't put 6 million people in ovens to bake...

Nah, I believe that happened rather late in the process: perhaps two million or so. Cremation is perhaps better, because one has more time to process all those valuables, such as gold teeth, and clothing.

Until the later part of the "Final Solution", a simple ditch, and a 9mm parabellium, in the cranium, would suffice. Just think of all those wasted assets, AND psychologically tramatized Nazi boys. Wink1
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