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Earlier this year, Germany registered a great triumph of human intelligence. First, it didn't look like that when a bill passed the parliament, allowing to shoot down hijacked civil airliners. Germany's highest court, however, killed the crap a few days later and forbad the bill.
Quote:...in its ruling, the court found the bill “incompatible with the fundamental right to life and with the guarantee of human dignity” for innocent passengers on an aircraft...
The whole link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11365264/ Democracy still has a few guardians, good to know.
Wolfgang Schaeuble, secretary of interior, that's the guy in the wheelchair and with extensive brain damage, now want's to give it another try. By changing the constitution and declaring hijacked airliners a case of war. Amending the constitution needs a 2/3 majority of the parliament. No chance for Mr. Schaeuble.
Two things here.

First, now that everyone is aware that certain groups are more than willing to use aircraft in an act of murder/suicide, the chance of them ever again taking control of an airliner, is remote. There will alway be someone on board, with the moral courage to overthrow the hijackers.

Second, Germany has not had to deal with thousands of deaths as a result of this. Let's see what Germany does, should someone, singular or plural, actually manages to do such, with anything. Then you may crow your findings to the world. However, should you be the target of such action, I wonder what your attitude will be then?

I will hazzard a guess that it will be different than your current one, whilst you recline in security, with your little 14 year old indentured servents. Wink1
Great thinking, Germany!

Now that the policy is known, a terrorist group that decided to smuggle biological (or a small nuke) to a plane will choose to attack in Germany.

Makes the rest of the world safer...
mv Wrote:Great thinking, Germany!

Now that the policy is known, a terrorist group that decided to smuggle biological (or a small nuke) to a plane will choose to attack in Germany.

Makes the rest of the world safer...

:lol: :lol: I never thought of that one Michael. How true! :lol: :lol:
Aside from the personal stuff,it isn't fun to have to make such decisions,but men have to. In combat,leaders often see the destruction of the few to preserve the many,not easy,but necessary.

During our civil war,Lincoln decided to ignore the sufferings of Union POWs in order to advance the cause of victory for the Union against the CSA. John Wayne made a good WWII movie about the same paradigm,"We Were Expendable" .

Shooting down the jet is the same objective cause.

Let Germans prefer the lives of the few over the many,it's their business.
Quote:Now that the policy is known, a terrorist group that decided to smuggle biological (or a small nuke) to a plane will choose to attack in Germany.
mv, I'd suggest some consultation with our Staff Sgt. He might tell you how small "small nukes" actually are and also the differences of "hijacking" and "smuggling".
Quote:Aside from the personal stuff,it isn't fun to have to make such decisions,but men have to. In combat,leaders often see the destruction of the few to preserve the many,not easy,but necessary.
During our civil war,Lincoln decided to ignore the sufferings of Union POWs in order to advance the cause of victory for the Union against the CSA. John Wayne made a good WWII movie about the same paradigm,"We Were Expendable".
Shooting down the jet is the same objective cause.
Let Germans prefer the lives of the few over the many,it's their business.
Palladin,
thanks for contributing some hot air. Actually, I could imagine to shoot down American airliners with American passengers only, in an effort to preserve the many. To say it with John Wayne, "you are expendable". I'm sure you Americans would be delighted about this particular effort to fight terrorism. Unfortunately, you think no further than the tip of your nose.
If it's established beyond doubt that the plane is being used for a terrorist attack involving civilian deaths, I don't see why it shouldn't be shot down.

But as said in the article, it's a hypothetical and extremely unlikely scenario, I don't agree that the constitution be amended for this, thereby opening the door for further infringements on the limited role the military has in Germany and setting the ground for possible abuses within the country, as if the police and related units didn't have enough authority to bother citizens already!

Btw, this is a very odd remark, care to elaborate what exactly you're implying here, John?
Quote:I will hazzard a guess that it will be different than your current one, whilst you recline in security, with your little 14 year old indentured servents.
stroll Wrote:Btw, this is a very odd remark, care to elaborate what exactly you're implying here, John?
Quote:I will hazzard a guess that it will be different than your current one, whilst you recline in security, with your little 14 year old indentured servents.

I'm having "sport" with "Q" for his proclivity toward little 14 year old sex objects. Wink1 Most of them are indeed indentured servants to what you call pimps there.
Islamo nazis are like sharks, they smell blood and head for it. Germany's courts just put blood in their side of the waters. It will divert some from going elsewhere and they'll try with Germany. I don't know German law but quad are you proud to have a small number of individuals making political decisions instead of your fellow German citizens? Shouldn't this be a decision for the people to make through their elected officials?
I gotta give Stroll credit here. He simply spoke honestly instead of the gratuitous nonsense of some. Obviously you don't shoot down airliners with impunity,but the Islamic radicals have made it where it is a must when they hijack a jet anymore.
Quote:I don't know German law but quad are you proud to have a small number of individuals making political decisions instead of your fellow German citizens? Shouldn't this be a decision for the people to make through their elected officials?
I4B, I am, about the smart ones, who make decisions in the name of humanity. Political decisions are always made by a very small number of people, referendas hardly exist anymore. Besides, you know very well about the countless lies before elections. In America, you also have a highest court with the power to veto bills. Nine people, in your case?

stroll, 'no' anyway. A state must no have the powers to shoot down civil airliners, under no circumstances. A state must not have the power to take any life. (considering I4B's posting above, such decision would be made by a very limited number of persons too, therefore is abuse likely). A fundamental of any law is, judging and punishment only when a criminal act is commited, not in advance.
So you're against democracy. A handful of judges make the political decisions? Thank you for clarifying that quad. Your honesty is to be comended.

Quote:In America, you also have a highest court with the power to veto bills. Nine people, in your case?

Yes and they have taken the role of legislators instead of jurists. We who believe in limited government and the people making the political decisions oppose the imperial Supreme Court we've had for decades.

Quote:A fundamental of any law is, judging and punishment only when a criminal act is commited, not in advance.

It's not about punishment, what is it you people can't get that. It's not about punishment, it's about preventing an act of terrorism that can kill hundreds of thousands, that airplane can crash into a nuclear power plant, a skyscrapper, or even be spreading odorless chemical agents over an entire city. You would wait until they are finished? That's insane, alowing the masses to decide this issue is logical since they are the potential victims. Allowing them to do so through elections does not pout the power in few hands, it is the people weilding the power and using government as a tool.
Quote:It's not about punishment, what is it you people can't get that. It's not about punishment, it's about preventing an act of terrorism that can kill hundreds of thousands, that airplane can crash into a nuclear power plant, a skyscrapper, or even be spreading odorless chemical agents over an entire city.
Jesus, I hope the Americans are smart enough to keep this odorless agent of evil away from any decisions. He's a nut.
Yes its insane to prevent the murder of hundreds of thousands, including the hundreds on a plane, to gain what? The people on the plane are going to be killed regardless by the terrorists. Did you miss the plane crashed in Pennsylvania by the terrorists on September 11th? No sir rethinking your position because you're the smelly insane one.
John L Wrote:
stroll Wrote:Btw, this is a very odd remark, care to elaborate what exactly you're implying here, John?
Quote:I will hazzard a guess that it will be different than your current one, whilst you recline in security, with your little 14 year old indentured servents.

I'm having "sport" with "Q" for his proclivity toward little 14 year old sex objects. Wink1 Most of them are indeed indentured servants to what you call pimps there.
This is an odd "sport" to persue for the admin of a political forum where serious on topic discussions are supposed to be encouraged, don't you think? Besides the fact that these unsubstantiated allegations originate exclusively from your imagination, has it occured to you that there might be something offensive about this?

A step back and a look in the mirror is what I recommend.
A private moment of contemplation facing your god may put your latest comments into perspective, if not for anyone else, then for yourself at least.
stroll Wrote:
John L Wrote:
stroll Wrote:Btw, this is a very odd remark, care to elaborate what exactly you're implying here, John?
Quote:I will hazzard a guess that it will be different than your current one, whilst you recline in security, with your little 14 year old indentured servents.

I'm having "sport" with "Q" for his proclivity toward little 14 year old sex objects. Wink1 Most of them are indeed indentured servants to what you call pimps there.
This is an odd "sport" to persue for the admin of a political forum where serious on topic discussions are supposed to be encouraged, don't you think? Besides the fact that these unsubstantiated allegations originate exclusively from your imagination, has it occured to you that there might be something offensive about this?

A step back and a look in the mirror is what I recommend.
A private moment of contemplation facing your god may put your latest comments into perspective, if not for anyone else, then for yourself at least.

Whatever! Try not to push your luck here. If nothing else, I will not consider you for the moderator position when the next round comes up. Wink1
I certainly wouldn't tolerate cheap shots at others on the basis of pedophilia, nor should you!

You're true colours are showing rather brightly. Wink1
stroll Wrote:I certainly wouldn't tolerate cheap shots at others on the basis of pedophilia, nor should you!

You're true colours are showing rather brightly. Wink1

You have Just GOT to put a halt to getting "My" and "Your" mixed up Komrade. S1
stroll Wrote:Besides the fact that these unsubstantiated allegations originate exclusively from your imagination, has it occured to you that there might be something offensive about this?

Interesting comments stroll, but I do seem to remember a post by quadrat a very short time ago in which he said:

quadrat Wrote:...if it were legal, I would fill my bed with fourteen-year olds. You wouldn't? Go and see a doctor. The less used women are, the better. (No reason to use euphemisms). That's a biological thing, I'm sure it's not alien to any man.

He was careful to include "if it were legal" since I believe Germany has laws against participating in such acts even when committed abroad, but he did admit to the propensity for such acts.
Not that all do by any means,but it is somewhat obvious that many foreign males go to Thailand to rape little girls and boys without fear of prosecution.
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