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Note I said "conservative" Islamic cultures,I would exempt Turkey and probably Morroco,Tunisia and most of east Asian Muslims EX Pakistan.

Everyone has pedophilia in their cultures,but,in Iraq and Afghanistan it is rampant . This article discusses this phenomenon. I think it's simply,when men do not do what nature prefers (sex with females),the body goes haywire as in this article.

I think this also explains why there does seem to be a high rate of pedophilia within The Catholic Church Priesthood. The forced abstinence idea is harmful. Within conservative Islam,I just think men view females as nasty and evil beings and abhor them,thus gravitating towards homsexuality more,but also both are into pedophilia.


http//www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26199
After we liberated Afghanistan, there were a rash of articles about just this thing. Homosexuality is rampart there, and socially accepted amongst the general population. It was amazing the people, who stated their desire to find little boys, that looked less like men, while being interviewed.

Somehow, I suspect it had perhaps less to do with homosexual tendencies, but a substitute for females. Note the desire for no facial hair, and most likely no other body hairs as well.

It is a sick society, where women are treated as they were. Can you just imagine what goes through the minds of these people?
Sparta had the same thing - widespread homosexuality because the culture emphasized masculinity so much. Some say there were homosexual overtones in Hitler's brand of fascism as well.

I think it is probably worse in Afghanistan than other places, but it is likely bad all over the Islamic world. Unfortunately, military invasions make them cling tighter to their warped mindset, instead of fixing it.
Anon, I'm no expert on this subject, but I thought that Sparta was a society in which the adult warriors were lovers. The report that opens this topic is about the widespread raping of little boys, such as 5 years of age, which no sane or moral person would tolerate.

I agree with Palladin that the Roman Catholic church is absurd to demand all its priests to be celibate, and that the practice does lead to increased pedophilia (of both genders) among priests.
I don't know how true it is, but I heard that Macedonians and Alexander the Great introduced Afghans to perversion.
Fit2BThaied Wrote:I agree with Palladin that the Roman Catholic church is absurd to demand all its priests to be celibate, and that the practice does lead to increased pedophilia (of both genders) among priests.

Celibacy is the Roman Church's greatest weakness, IMO.

Kamil Wrote:I don't know how true it is, but I heard that Macedonians and Alexander the Great introduced Afghans to perversion.

Makes for a great tale, but if anyone believes this, then they are willing to admit that the Afghans totally lacked an imagionation, no matter how warped. Wink1
Thai: That is correct. I was just pointing out that societies that tend to emphasize maculinity, "the male mystique", trend towards homosexuality. Which is ironic, considering the views that our society has of gays being effeminate.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Thai: That is correct. I was just pointing out that societies that tend to emphasize maculinity, "the male mystique", trend towards homosexuality. Which is ironic, considering the views that our society has of gays being effeminate.
By 'our society' I take it you mean primarily NW Europe and the countries colonized primarily by Protestants. Note in the questionable appraisal of Afghan culture, that a male is considered macho so long as he does the penetrating, and he is considered totally hetero. Same in Latin America, same in some Asian cultures.

The NW European concept of masculinity tends toward an extreme stereotype. In my opinion.

Regardless: no view of masculinity can justify the molestation of children.
I don't take from this that "masculinity" thinking leads to pedophilia or homosexuality. A truly masculine gentleman(IMO),for example,is a wonderful and thoughtful husband and father to his daughter who places his wife's interests above his. In Scripture,Uriah The Hittite is an example of masculine honor to the max.

I think the problem here is that what the extremist Islamic think teaches females are bad and nasty/sinful. I want to stress I do NOT mean all Muslim cultures,this is not a gratuitous shot at Muslim cultures.

The conservative ones though clearly have stress with females totally and pedophilia is rampant. I know it's true as I have several witnesses to it in Iraq. Plus,vagrant used to tell us what he saw in Afghanistan was unbelievable.

I am NOT stating that our cultures do not have it,we most certainly DO HAVE IT. It is not openly rampant is all I say.

As to Kamil's comment. The Greeks also had lots of homosexual acceptance as the Romans indeed did. Pre Christendom era it was openly acceptable and not condemned at all.

However,I am more orienting this discussion to pedophilia,not homosexual conduct alone. It is a problem in the more conservative Islamic regions and my view is when we humans don't do what nature calls for,eventually there is a haywire within the soul that leads us into this nonsense. The Catholic Priest I thouhgt was a good example for it along with the conservative Muslim.

2 different reasons for celibacy,same outcome I FEAR in many case.

I also should take the time to say this is NOT an anti Catholic post either. The postulate here is only the celibacy policy may be driving their Priests into this unwholesome lifestyle is all.
I didn't mean to get us sidetracked about views of homosexuality, which were mentioned in the article cited in the opening post.

We agree there is no excuse for any kind of pedophilia, by any religion, culture, or age.
Anon and Fit2BThaied, it wasn't adult warriors who were gay lovers. According to anthropologists who researched those times, adolescent and teenage recruits who wanted to become soldiers provided sexual release for the journeyman soldiers when they were on long campaigns away from their families. After the youngsters finished their military training, they became soldiers themselves. The soldiers were heterosexual with wives and the ubiquitous camp follower girls, and only used the young men because their wives preferred them not to frequent the camp followers who were known disease carriers.

The soldiers were only gay by choice - not by any hint of predisposition. There was not the onus of shame attached to their homosexual encounters - so there were fewer instances of indoctrination or recruitment into a permanent gay lifestyle due to Jonathon-Edwards-style conversion. There were more gay encounters in classic Greece and Rome - but few who thought of themselves as exclusively gay.
WmLambert Wrote:Anon and Fit2BThaied, it wasn't adult warriors who were gay lovers. According to anthropologists who researched those times, adolescent and teenage recruits who wanted to become soldiers provided sexual release for the journeyman soldiers when they were on long campaigns away from their families. After the youngsters finished their military training, they became soldiers themselves. The soldiers were heterosexual with wives and the ubiquitous camp follower girls, and only used the young men because their wives preferred them not to frequent the camp followers who were known disease carriers.

The soldiers were only gay by choice - not by any hint of predisposition. There was not the onus of shame attached to their homosexual encounters - so there were fewer instances of indoctrination or recruitment into a permanent gay lifestyle due to Jonathon-Edwards-style conversion. There were more gay encounters in classic Greece and Rome - but few who thought of themselves as exclusively gay.
Thanks, William - no argument from me, just another opinion. Definitions of sexual behavior, oddly enough, are not as clear as most folks imagine. Your first paragraph ends almost in a misstatement; most folks would consider such soldiers bisexuals. The average American male appears slightly wimpish to Mexican machismo, even though the Mexicans see themselves as hetero even if they penetrate gay men.

Regardless, we all condemn pedophilia.
One of his points: "it would cut down on teen abortions (or motherhood)".

But that erroneously assumes the male involved would take over the responsibility of being a husband a father. Thus, not a valid solution for western societies.
I'm not sure if most of the pedophilia is homosexual. According to may Arab women authors, girls get their fair share as well. I usually defend Arab culture, but its attitudes towards women is pretty sick.