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I just hope we're 100% supportive of the Ethiopians in this endeavor.



http//www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238620,00.html
Could have been with Bush's blessings. I was wondering why Bush wasn't doing anything about this. We need to give them all the support they need.
Independents4Bush Wrote:I was wondering why Bush wasn't doing anything about this.

Military help to Ethiopia and Uganda, asaik both training and equipment.

For example

If interested, tune to KFI640 right now.
I can't help but believe we should be assisting with special forces and naval air support if needed as well as this training program.
Palladin Wrote:I can't help but believe we should be assisting with special forces and naval air support if needed as well as this training program.

Ethiopia appears to have a pretty decent tested modern army. They may be able to handle this even when/if Eritrea joins the war.
MV,

2 weeks ago they got hit surprisingly hard with anti tank weapons in Somalia. Plus,Ethiopia has a fairly large Muslim population to fear,not only Eritrea.

These terrorists are really well armed with some Soviet anti tank weaponry,they smashed more than 1 armored vehicle. Better armed than Iraqi terrs it appears. Note how rapidly they have spread their influence.

I hope you are more accurate than I as I am the enemy of all Muslims across the globe when they desire this jihad murder of theirs anywhere against anybody.

Ethiopia, I wish them great success and safety for their soldiers.
I'm guardedly optimistic. Ethiopia has a tradition of fighting off Muslims and they are pretty well armed. So I don't think they will collapse overnight.

Incidentally, Ethiopia is currently only about half-Christian, so, yes, 5th column is a factor.
BTW, don't we have some sort of force in the horn of Africa at the current moment? How will they factor in, or do they just pass out food?
I think we stopped feeding the Somalis back in 1993....

I also suspect that they can do much better job without interference of the PC crowds that lost the Iraq and Hizbollah wars...

One interesting tidbit: Eritrea which supports Islamists (and may go to war with Ethiopia yet) is 50% Christian too.
mv Wrote:I think we stopped feeding the Somalis back in 1993....

One interesting tidbit: Eritrea which supports Islamists (and may go to war with Ethiopia yet) is 50% Christian too.

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cf...ran=194309

But who is running Eritrea and who are the Christians sympathetic with?
1500 troops and Djibouti is pretty far from the area of action....I'm not even sure it can be used to supply the Ethiopean army....

As for the Erithrean majority, no idea whatsoever....

Anyway, this may get interesting, with the international nature of the Somali Islamists, [Image: odd_36.gif]...
Yea, I read the article, it's probably National Guardsmen for the most part too. So, its just Ethiopia and Somalia I guess.
And Eritrea, Sudan, Uganda, perhaps Kenya may be willing to join.
(Uganda is an interested party and a US ally). And all kinds of jihadists always ready for action....
That Djibouti deal is a French base. They probably have a large group there and hopefully they are with us on this one.

There also is a Marine contingent in Djibouti,a lady I work with,her son was stationed there last year.

As far as Eritrean Christians possibly supporting Islamists,nothing would surprise me about any Christian doing any idiot thing. The Lebanese Christians often side with terrorists as they did against Israel recently. It seems we Christians do not have virtue automatically as some Christians ignorantly assume by virtue of our faith. It takes a progressive improvement from Biblical imput,which most of us ignore.

Just as Europe's Christians were as hateful and anti semitic as the devil pre reformation(or pre reading their Bibles)so may modern Christians be ignorant and evil in conduct. I wish it weren't true,but it is true.
BBC has many articles on Somalia/Ethiopia
Here is one link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6043764.stm

Looks like Somalia is almost all Moslem, Union Of Islamic Courts (UIC) was set up by businesses to protect themselves from lawlessness.
However, UIC went hardliner after they gathered Strength.

Defeating UIC without having a stable government to establish order will not solve anything in the long run.
this article is three days older than Patricks, and clearly shows that the other side also has declared war as well.

Quote:Somali peace talks in doubt as Islamic leader issues war declaration
Published: Thursday, December 21, 2006 | 8:51 AM ET
Canadian Press: SALAD DUHUL

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - Somalia is now in "a state of war," the country's Islamic leader said Thursday, despite an earlier pledge to return to peace talks with the government.

As shelling continued near the government's garrison town of Baidoa, Sheik Hassan Dahir Aweys called for all Somalis to join the fight against neighbouring Ethiopia.

Here is Stratfor's appraisal early this month.

Quote:Somalia: The Significance of the Bombing Near Baidoa
November 30, 2006 23 11 GMT


Summary

In an attack that clearly was meant for a target within Baidoa, either a car or a suicide bomber exploded Nov. 30 at a checkpoint outside of the city, the seat of Somalia's interim government. The bombing, along with ongoing attacks against Ethiopian convoys in Somalia, was meant to drive Ethiopian troops back and consolidate as much territory as possible for Somalia's Supreme Islamic Courts Council (SICC) before the end of the rainy season brings a full-scale Ethiopian invasion. However, reports of the actual attack contain conflicting details, as both the interim government and the SICC attempt to manipulate information to suit their own purposes.

Analysis

Either a car bomb or a suicide bomber exploded Nov. 30 at a checkpoint manned by Ethiopian and Somalian troops outside Baidoa, the seat of Somalia's interim government, killing at least four people and destroying two other cars. The blast -- which clearly was meant to have occurred inside the city -- is the latest indication that Somalia's Supreme Islamic Courts Council (SICC) is attempting to consolidate as much territory as possible before the end of seasonal floods gives Ethiopia the opportunity to invade.

Reports of the actual attack differ, as both the interim government and the SICC attempt to manipulate information for their own ends. The United States has proposed a U.N. Security Council (UNSC) resolution to lift the arms embargo against Somalia and allow a regional peacekeeping force to enter the country with weapons; however, that resolution has yet to pass. In an effort to gain support for these changes, the interim government is portraying the SICC as an organization supported by jihadists; thus, government officials have said the attack outside Baidoa was a suicide bombing. The SICC, on the other hand, will continue trying to distance itself from al Qaeda and other jihadist groups. A suicide attack would further raise concerns that Somalia's militant Islamists are adopting al Qaeda-like tactics.

Whatever the details of the bombing, the attack is significant because it occurred so close to Baidoa, a city the interim government has thus far been able to keep out of the Islamists' control. It is the first time the SICC has been able to operate in the city since September, when the Islamist militants appear to have orchestrated an assassination attempt on interim President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed. Yusuf's brother died in the attack as the two were leaving parliament.


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The bombing near Baidoa occurred as two events outside Somalia have reinforced the SICC's belief that it faces an imminent threat. Ethiopia's parliament voted Nov. 30 to let Prime Minister Meles Zenawi's government to take measures to prevent Somalia's militant Islamists from invading to conduct a holy war. Three days earlier, the United States made its proposal for a UNSC resolution on Somalia aimed at stabilizing the interim government. To the SICC, the proposed UNSC resolution is a green light for an Ethiopian invasion. Ethiopia already has a longtime military presence in Baidoa because of concerns that the SICC would support anti-Ethiopian insurgents among ethnic Somalis at home, violating Ethiopia's territorial integrity in order to create a Greater Somalia.

The Nov. 30 attack near Baidoa, along with additional movements and attacks against Ethiopian troop and supply convoys, demonstrates an effort by the SICC to gain as much territory as soon as possible while Ethiopia remains handicapped by seasonal flooding. SICC militias launched attacks against Ethiopian convoys Nov. 19 and Nov. 29 at points west of Baidoa to deny Ethiopia a supply route that extends from that country's now-flooded southeastern region. Gaining Baidoa would consolidate the SICC's hold over the one section of southern Somalia that it does not already control. On Nov. 27 the SICC reinforced its troop presence in the central Somalian town of Abudwaaq, a move designed to prevent the town from becoming a launching point for an Ethiopian invasion.

Ethiopian troop movements will remain encumbered at least through mid-December, when the Deyr rainy season is expected to end and Ethiopia's otherwise-superior troops can circulate freely. This restriction gives the SICC a narrow window of opportunity to position its forces and consolidate its territorial gains in anticipation of Ethiopia's invasion once the floodwaters recede. An increase in the tempo of attacks like the bombing outside Baidoa can be expected as the SICC braces for such an invasion.

I might add that Ethiopian area bordering Somalia is where most muslims reside, and she fears the potential loss of Somalian tribesmen living there. Consequently, she has been exerting her influence into the Somalian fight. Ethiopia has a vested interest in having a friendlier neighbor next door.

However, things are much more complicated. Eritria may well enter the fray, but the biggest problem will most assuridly come from Djibouti, which has a substantial Somalian population. It could go two ways. Djibouti could side with SICC, but may well side with the UN and Ethiopian supported northern government. If they do the later, this could help the UN sanctioned side gain control. Either way, this is going to amount to another potential starvation issue, in which the MSM will be showing pictures of starving women and children, but not go into the true depth of the issue. I fully expect this.

What is also troubling is the issue of US strategic presence in Djibouti. It would be terrible to lose a friend there and also lose the base, which is VERY Strategic in importance.

Here is the State Dept's take on Sjibouti.

And here is the CIA's take. State appears to be far more positive than what is probably true.
Debka Wrote:Ethiopian fighter jets bomb Mogadishu International Airport Monday

December 25, 2006, 2:27 PM (GMT+02:00)





Two people were reported killed in the attack, the first on the headquarters of the Somali Islamic Courts militia, which has occupied the capital and much of the south since June. Sunday, Ethiopian prime minister Meles Zenawi acknowledged that his army was providing air and artillery support for Somali government forces against the Islamist rebels. He said his country was acting in self-defense after the Islamists, fighting for rule based on the Koran, declared holy war on Ethiopia. The Islamist militia is boosted by hundreds of foreign Islamic radicals and believed in Washington to be led by wanted al Qaeda terrorists.

Commanders of the Somali forces backed by Ethiopian troops finally claimed gains Monday. They reported the overnight capture of the border town of Belet Wayne after Ethiopian jets bombed Islamic positions. Heavy artillery and mortar fire continued around the beleaguered town of Baidoa, where the government is holed up.
Ethiopia s kicking Al Qaeda' butt, great christmas news. S2 This along with the killing of a top Taliban commander, is making the christmas season an unlucky time for Al Qaeda. The whole year actually if you add the death of Zarqawi. I pray that Aymen Al Zawahiri and Usama Bin Laden are next.
I wouldn't declare victory yet. I think the Islamists have lots of support and people,maybe a couple of million,Ethiopia will have a diffcicult time holding any gains,IMO.
Independents4Bush Wrote:Ethiopia s kicking Al Qaeda' butt, great christmas news. S2 This along with the killing of a top Taliban commander, is making the christmas season an unlucky time for Al Qaeda. The whole year actually if you add the death of Zarqawi. I pray that Aymen Al Zawahiri and Usama Bin Laden are next.

Who says Bin Laden isn't already below the ground?
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