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Seif,
and you should not allege a hatred of Americans and Christians that does not exists. I hate people who want to dictate my life, those are found amongst some Americans and Christians, and amongst some homegrown fruitcakes, but not amongst Muslims. To be more specific, Muslims might want to dictate my life, (though there is no other proof than your allegation), however, they have no powers to do so. Sorry, in this aspect you are a shameless liar. S7
Whoremongering, I guess that is what would kill me under sharia, would have killed me under Christianity for centuries too, before they were disempowered. They must be monitored closely if we don't want to fall back into a barbary worse than Muslims could offer and ever committed.
Sharia is bad because you say so, closer examination is not necessary. So simple.
And why was Christianity 'disempowered' as you claim, other than by Christians themselves who have allowed their religion to evolve?

As for the hatred that you claim not to have, you are certainly not being faithful to yourself. Your irrational hatred against various groups is evident in almost every one of your posts.

Sharia... because I say so. No, because it is the opinion of almost every non Muslim who has studied it as well as most muslim nations who have refused to implement it. I am just glad for the majority of Muslims who have hijacked their religion and have tried to make it more peaceful and reasonable than their prophet intended. Unfortunately they are losing the fight.
Seif Wrote:And why was Christianity 'disempowered' as you claim, other than by Christians themselves who have allowed their religion to evolve?
"Allowed to evolve"???
I seem to remember people being tortured and murdered for disagreeing with the church and scientific discoveries, wars ravaging the continent over interpretations of the bible and the practise of different brands of Christianity.
Wasn't it the emergence of 'enlightenment and rationalism' which eventually brought an end to the intolerance?
stroll Wrote:
Seif Wrote:And why was Christianity 'disempowered' as you claim, other than by Christians themselves who have allowed their religion to evolve?
"Allowed to evolve"???
I seem to remember people being tortured and murdered for disagreeing with the church and scientific discoveries, wars ravaging the continent over interpretations of the bible and the practise of different brands of Christianity.
Wasn't it the emergence of 'enlightenment and rationalism' which eventually brought an end to the intolerance?

You are grossly overdoing things Komrade. And if you wish to criticize any religion, then let's see how many have been tortured and murdered, in the name of universal atheism. Last time I counted, it was over 100 million in just the last century alone. So, what do you have to say about YOUR belief system?
Seif,
I used to know a different brand of Christians at home, very much like Thaied. They stand for pacifism, preservation of the environment, social justice, charities, hardly try to amass political power or force their beliefs upon people of different or no religions. I can very much identify with them. They do good in the name of God, and some of you do evil in His name. Such as destoying lifes for profit and domination. It's the evil I hate. Simple, isn't it? :lol:
Was looking for something (characteristics of the Christian religions in Germany, such as trust in God is the main issue, and not loyalty to a particular church), but didn't find it. But this might interest you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...in_Germany
John,
stroll is from West Germany and he never indicated any communist indoctrination. You confuse there something. :lol: If I may ask, how many innocent victims of communism did you count in other centuries than the 20th.?
quadrat Wrote:Seif,
I used to know a different brand of Christians at home, very much like Thaied. They stand for pacifism, preservation of the environment, social justice, charities, hardly try to amass political power or force their beliefs upon people of different or no religions. I can very much identify with them. They do good in the name of God, and some of you do evil in His name. Such as destoying lifes for profit and domination. It's the evil I hate. Simple, isn't it? :lol:
Was looking for something (characteristics of the Christian religions in Germany, such as trust in God is the main issue, and not loyalty to a particular church), but didn't find it. But this might interest you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...in_Germany

You can find good or evil in religion. Some tend more to good and others tend more to evil, but you can find what you seek. Perhaps you found the hate and evil because it was a reflection?
stroll Wrote:"Allowed to evolve"???
I seem to remember people being tortured and murdered for disagreeing with the church and scientific discoveries, wars ravaging the continent over interpretations of the bible and the practise of different brands of Christianity.

You would have to be centuries old to "remember"such times.

stroll Wrote:Wasn't it the emergence of 'enlightenment and rationalism' which eventually brought an end to the intolerance?

And where did this enlightenment and rationalism emerge? We are still waiting for it here in the Islamic parts of the world but we appear to be going the other direction.
Quote:And where did this enlightenment and rationalism emerge? We are still waiting for it here in the Islamic parts of the world but we appear to be going the other direction.
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[b]Seif[/b],
this is so not completely true. You prompt them to "go in the other direction", by your policies and actions. You were and are creating Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism because you need another enemy, for the benefits of your war profiteers, and in order to distract your own citizens from domestic troubles, the social ones. You wage wars in Iraq at the moment and around Israel all the time, you try to force some peculiar American version of 'democracy' upon them. This doesn't even start to describe what you have been doing for decades to them. Violence creates violence. You know about this, why do I have to explain that?
Quadrat, here are your heros of Sharía in the UK and in Germany.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...ge_id=1770

Quote:Pupils aged five 'poisoned' at Islamic school that 'teaches hate'

An Islamic school is poisoning the minds of pupils with lessons in hate, a former teacher claims.


Colin Cook, 57, says textbooks used by children as young as five at the King Fahad Academy in Acton describe Jews as "repugnant" and "apes" and Christians as "pigs".

Pupils have allegedly been heard saying they want to "kill Americans", praising 9/11 and idolising Osama bin Laden as their "hero".

There are fears that it could become a breeding ground for terrorists with Mr Cook warning: "The school could produce a dangerous harvest."

Its sister school of the same name in Bonn has been singled out by the German intelligence services as a meeting place for activists linked to terrorism.

You see quadrat, this is exactly what the Wohabbis and Salafists are spreading with their funds from Saudi Arabia.

I first came to Saudi Arabia to learn 'true Islam' at a Salafist school. These schools taught us what 'good Muslims' should believe so that we could be sent back to our home countries to take these teachings with us and to open schools with Salafist funding to teach this filth. I can forgive your ignorance about Shar'ia Quadrat, but you really should think about defending something which you know absolutely nothing about.
John L Wrote:You are grossly overdoing things Komrade. And if you wish to criticize any religion, then let's see how many have been tortured and murdered, in the name of universal atheism. Last time I counted, it was over 100 million in just the last century alone. So, what do you have to say about YOUR belief system?
If anything I said is not true, feel free to correct it.
But kindly refrain from hyperbole calling atheism a 'religion', or stating anyone got killed in the name of it - you know it ain't true. Wink1
Have you managed to find a few links about atheism on the net, I highly recommend having a closer look, since it appears to be one of your obsessions.

I do not belong to any organised religion, nor am I an atheist, noone gets killed in the name of my "belief system". You may have noticed I usually argue against hate, torture, war and killing - well, or maybe not, too busy finding labels and fighting shadows. :roll:
quadrat Wrote:John,
stroll is from West Germany and he never indicated any communist indoctrination. You confuse there something. :lol: If I may ask, how many innocent victims of communism did you count in other centuries than the 20th.?

"Q". Communism/Marxism is merely socialism, carried to it's final conclusion, or that is at least what I was told by other communists. Marxism IS Socialism. I use the word Collectivism, because with that word, I don't have to nit-pick with you or others. Stroll is still a dedicated Collectivist, which is still placing one's neck in the "guillotine" of political discourse. You may be able to keep the blade suspended on high, nine times out of ten, but all one needs is just that 10%, which will surely come around.

As for your last question, Marxism did not get a chance to "strut it's stuff" until the beginning of the 20th century. In the 21st, the REAL battle against Collectivism, will be Fascism. I think that your folks attempt to hide it's REAL name, by calling it The Third Way". It's still Fascism/Collectivism.
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