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I think the documentary is going to be repeated today, I highly recommend the documentary to everybody.
Looks like much more Americans and Japanese would have died, if the bombs were not dropped to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Personally, I believe that USA did the right thing, nevertheless it was a terrifying experience for Japanese, and hope we never have to make decisions like that.
I missed it,but here's an interesting bit of information which precludes the revisionist horsesh.it certain people like to spout. I do not care about these "intercepts" though,let the Germans,Japanese and anyone else understand,start a war with us and you WILL regret it.

I would like to HIGHLIGHT that while revisionists berate our use of every weapon we have to destroy this EVIL and BRUTAL EMPIRE which had attacked us,they ENTIRELY dismiss not only the dead Americans that lived,but the live Asians that did NOT die because we more rapidly brought this disgusting puke of a civilization to a more rapid ending by KILLING about 2-3 hundred thousand Japanese civilians in 2 days.



http//www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp?pg=1
I Intended to post this message in the "Hiroshima 60 years later" thread, but made a mistake.
I posted about that show in the Art section Kamil. I watched it.

Indeed, it did a good job of laying out the situation at the time.
History Channel also aired some interesting stuff, I was able to watch both stations for an hour here.
Well,no one wants to be like me,a good old bloodthirsty Curtis E. LeMay kinda guy.

Next time someone tells you the A bomb was immoral,just remind them that 400,000 Asians occupied by the Royal Nipponese Army were dying DAILY. 400,000!

Da.mn the 300,000 Japanese we killed with A bombs,they were massacring 400,000 every da.mn DAY!
Palladin Wrote:Well,no one wants to be like me,a good old bloodthirsty Curtis E. LeMay kinda guy.

Next time someone tells you the A bomb was immoral,just remind them that 400,000 Asians occupied by the Royal Nipponese Army were dying DAILY. 400,000!

Da.mn the 300,000 Japanese we killed with A bombs,they were massacring 400,000 every da.mn DAY!

Patrick, are you sure of those numbers. 400,000 seems to be an unusially high number of asians on a daily basis.
J,

NO,I am not sure,I use that figure because I read it in the article I posted (URL). Even if it's 3X too high,so how many dead innocent non Nipponese Asians do people think should have died before we CRUSHED this brutal,insane,delusional race based bas,tard society that attacked us?

Yohon sees them as nice,but he needs to visit China and ask their opinions. Japanese were not the vicitms,they were the perps.
Palladin, it was 400,000 each month. Since the invasion of Japan was set for sometime in November, that would be 1,200,000+ non-Japanese killed during the interim if the non-nuclear option was chosen. Additionally of course, there also would have been large US casualties during the invasion operation. All things considered, the loss of non-Japanese lives would have been very high. So, it's better that hundreds of thousands of Japanese died rather than millions of others.

Quote:This brings us to another aspect of history that now very belatedly has entered the controversy. Several American historians led by Robert Newman have insisted vigorously that any assessment of the end of the Pacific war must include the horrifying consequences of each continued day of the war for the Asian populations trapped within Japan's conquests. Newman calculates that between a quarter million and 400,000 Asians, overwhelmingly noncombatants, were dying each month the war continued. Newman et al. challenge whether an assessment of Truman's decision can highlight only the deaths of noncombatant civilians in the aggressor nation while ignoring much larger death tolls among noncombatant civilians in the victim nations.
Palladin Wrote:J,
Yohon sees them as nice,but he needs to visit China and ask their opinions. Japanese were not the victims,they were the perps.
Palladin,

Do not say something about me, what I never said.
Several times I posted on this forum, that the Japanese were the aggressors in WWII.
I said also, that the Japanese were chosen to become the victim of the experiment of the atomic bombs.

About China, the Japanese-Chinese trade surpassed already the Japanese-USA trade.

You should also mention the Japanese-Chinese peace treaty, which contains obligatory huge investments in China by Japan as war-compensation.

There is a difference between 400000 victims per day or per month, and Japan would have surrendered with or without the atomic bombs, with or without the Russians, with or without the US invasion most likely end of August 1945 anyway - and not in November....

Just study the comments of the US military commanders at that time.
The atomic bombs were of no assistance for ending WWII.
S&S,

Thank you for the link!

Yohon,

I meant today's Japanese,not 1940's. I know you're a good hearted person Yohon,we don't have much disagreement at all and I apologize to you for leading the board here or you to think I did mean back then,I never did mean that at all.

I meant today's,but if you visited neighbor states,you wouldn't find the same affection even for today's,that's what I meant. I know Chinese people personally,no Japanese would want to be alone in their presence,not even in 2005.
Palladin Wrote:I meant today's,but if you visited neighbor states,you wouldn't find the same affection even for today's,that's what I meant. I know Chinese people personally,no Japanese would want to be alone in their presence,not even in 2005.
Palladin,
About neighbor states....

It is not really that bad here in the year 2005, my wife is Japanese, was working in a Chinese mining company at the Tokyo branch for years and has been several times in China....About 400000 Chinese are living in Japan.

Neighbor States.....if they do not need us in China or in Korea or in the Philippines, we have now the choice of Vietnam....

Vietnam is visa-free for the Japanese - and compared to the French and the US-Army, the Japanese did not stay long in this region. No anti-Japanese sentiment is known in Vietnam.

Finally, we have our American neighbor, we buy a ticket to Honolulu....every day plenty of flights.
My daughter is also living in Hawaii, married to an American citizen.
Plenty of Japanese there, but also plenty of other people, and no problems between all of them.

I like America, it is really a place for everybody.
Yohon,

I wouldn't think the Vietnamese would dislike Japan,but Koreans and Chinese I would think do. As a general rule,of course not everyone. Heck,I know older Americans that hate Japan still,but they are rare.

I bought a Subaru years ago and an old(now dead) sailor that worked with me chewed me out but GOOD! "If you'd had been around when Pearl Harbor was bombed,you wouldn't be buying Japanese sh.it"!

I bet the other yanks here have heard that in their lifetimes as well.