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It seems the basic view is if we treat the islamic terrorist worse than we would expect our soldier to be treated,it will redound to the torture of our soldier later.

What nonsense. When in our history have we seen adherence on our part to Geneva redound to the safety of our soldiers?Don't misunderstand my point,if we are fighting an honorable foe,I am all for it. Simply an enlightened viewpoint.

But,when we fight dishonorable foes,those foes will not act honorably regardless of what we do. Germany executed some of our soldiers and those they did not execute it was out of fear of reprisals,not because we treated their POW fairly(and we generally did). Japan mistreated our soldiers terribly as did Iraq in 1991.

Today,we face a much less honorable foe who immediately slaughters the handful of soldiers they have captured. Our conduct either way will not change their conduct.

So,the question,should we be easy on their guys and not gather info rapidly or should we crush their spirits and gather intell to assist defeating their dishonorable schemes asap?

We're offering more of our lives in lieu of their comfort if we accept the John McCain viewpoint. I wonder if the people have something to say about this over time?




http//www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/washington/15detain.html?ex=1315972800&en=a716a2daea87be9f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
I tend to be evil leaning here. I would just as soon see these murderers in jail forever, watching their lives wither away and their efforts in vain.
They don't seem to mind dying.....good...let them live in the knowledge that they are wasted.
Ken
Quote:But,when we fight dishonorable foes,those foes will not act honorably regardless of what we do. Germany executed some of our soldiers and those they did not execute it was out of fear of reprisals,not because we treated their POW fairly(and we generally did). Japan mistreated our soldiers terribly as did Iraq in 1991.

Germany and the US were signatories to the 1929 conventions, and I was under the impression (from school teachings) that generally the reason for the better treatment of US soldiers at the German's hands (compared to Japan) was because of this, while the Horrific treatment given to our soldiers by Japan was because they didn't sign.

Also, the USSR was not a signatory, and again I was taught that the rotten treatment given the Russkies (compared to Brits and Americans) by the Germans was because the USSR hadn't signed.

In any case, I don't see the point McCain and Powell are arguing as being relevent, since the Geneva conventions apply to uniformed soldiers under the command of signatory countries. Clearly, the terrorists do not meet these criteria.

And I agree with you that no matter what we do with respect to giving comfy treatment to detainees, it won't affect the actions of the terrorists one way or the other.

-S
S&S,

The Germans treated US&Brits fairly partially because we were their racial type and partially because they feared retribution,that's the only reason,IMO. Had absolutely nothing to do with a convention,since when does a state electing Hitler obey law?

They treated the slavs as they did Jews,that's why they murdered Russians.

Their invasions and importation of Jews for slaughter surely violated some convention,didn't deter Hitler.

Ken,

While I entirely disagree with you,here we are discussing torture or not,not execution. I would send men to Egypt,Jordan,etc,learn their techniques and apply them to the max,then throw these guys in a large fire.

I'd enjoy doing it personally as David enjoyed sawing off Goliath's head,too. For the same reasons.
Incidentally,to show you I'm not the only guy left in America thinks like this,George Patton's son had a Vietnamese general's head severed and cleaned then drank wine from it as the victorious Romans did. So,there are at least 2 Americans who think like young David did before us.

Got in a wee bit of trouble for it,but what the hey?

Now,here's another good example of subjectivity whioch is going to destory the USA if it doesn't change. Yes,this is Pakistan,but Pakistan is following the law. Legal prosecutions can't happen cause often the victims are dead or we didn't see the perp do his thing,etc. They should be executed as GITMO's should be,but alas,they're now free to kill more Americans,Christians and Jews

http//fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/09/book-em-danno.html