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Sarkozy: I will revive the EU constitution and exclude Turkey


Quote:Nicolas Sarkozy today put Europe on notice that he aims to revive a "mini constitution" and exclude Turkey from membership should he win the French presidency next year.

Britain would lose its national veto over EU decisions in a move to "super-qualified majority voting" under a wide-ranging reform agenda outlined by the French Interior Minister and leading candidate from the centre-Right.

Segolene Royal, a top contender for the presidency from the Socialist Party, will now be expected to set out a rival vision when she visits Brussels next week.

M Sarkozy told Europe’s capitals today that national parliaments could decide on a slimmer version of the constitution without the need for fresh referenda.

Actually, several new ideas.

1. Screw Turkey.
2. Screw the Brits.
3. Screw the voters: no more referendums.

Sarkozy is the most likely next president of France.

More:

4. Screw smaller states.

Quote:He also said that the current allocation of one European Commissioner to each EU country had to end.

And now for the best:

5. Screw the World

Quote:M Sarkozy went on to list a host of other goals which would pose immediate concerns for a new Gordon Brown administration in London, from closing the door on full membership for Turkey to harmonising corporation tax.

He called for a "privileged partnership" with Turkey, as well as with other African and Asian countries to create "huge area of peace and democracy" around the current borders of the EU.
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I think he wants to create an Eurasian Empire....

Interesting. Sarkozy was the only French politician that until now did not look like a total dork. I guess he is trying to become Frenchier....

But jokes aside, this is quite serious. He may be able to pull this off, especially if he is willing to lose a couple of countries -- for now.
The guy is bold. He's playing to the French desire of grandeur,might get him elected.

He's been bold about the need for economic reform as well. I'm really surprised about the hostility to Turkey though. Reasonably speaking,if the EU doesn't have Turks for immigration labor,who exactly will they have?

Arabs. Why not choose the Turks and further integrate them instead of keeping them out?

They're modern,they're secular compared to all other Muslims. There are a lot of them and the fact is even without being in the EU,human migrations and economics dictate,they are going to come. As Mexicans do here,Turks will move into the EU as citizens or as outsiders.
Palladin,

what happened? You support the Turks, this is unusual.

Now, Sarkozy is not going to stop the cheap labor immigration. He is simply playing to the masses who don't want Turkey in the EU, this possibility was one of the reasons why the referendum failed.

He is sacrificing Turkey to get elected.
For now.
When the constitution is approved (without direct votes!), he will revisit the issue of Turkey.

And I bet he already let the Turks know that they have nothing to worry about 8)

This is a Populist (u.c.). Please don't confuse with populists (l.c.), he is no Bill Clinton. This is on the scale of Uncle Adolf...magnificent....a pile of manure all the way to the heaven.

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Would someone explain please what is it about the French and screwing everybody?
MV,

I've always thought it most logical for the EU to allow the Turks to join. Ask Kamil,I argued years ago for it with Europeans on his old board.

Since 2003,our relationship has gone south,but I'm speaking as if I were a EU citizen,not an American. It makes no sense to formally tell Turks to kiss off,they are going to come either way,why not stick out your hand and say "welcome neighbor"?

I really think it would benefit Europe to do so. I think it would benefit the Turks and us as well. The stronger Turkey is,the more likely they can have a modernizing and moderating influence on Muslims elsewhere hopefully.
Germany's Merkel was also strong opponent of Turkey's EU Membership. However, she changed her tune after she won the election, and becoming one of the strongest supporters of Turkey's EU efforts.

In the meantime, percentage of Turks wanting to join EU is dropping fast, looks like now less than 50% of Turks still want to join EU.
I'm not so sure that I would want to join them either.
The USA are most interested in Turkey joining the EU, as the example a Muslim country can find a place in the "democratic" world. Well, this is our problem, because... ? Why not let them join you? I really think it would benefit the United States, (and give you a few thousand years of culture, what you miss so dearly).
With all due respect to Turkeys *great history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemal_Ataturk and people, millions of them live in Germany and they are similiar to us, such big and poor a country would be a liability for Europe and cost us dearly. Stay on your own, or if you want to be used as a pawn of US politics, join them.

*one of the very finest examples how important it is to strip the religious folks of their influence if you want progress, should be studied thoroughly by Americans.
quadrat Wrote:The USA are most interested in Turkey joining the EU, as the example a Muslim country can find a place in the "democratic" world. .

Or perhaps to make sure that EU is powerless.

Turkey within the EU ensures that EU will not become anything more than an economic block ... at least until it is fully islamic. For the near future this means a split EU not likely to cause problems for the US interests.

Now, what about later? Turkey would eventually become the strongest EU member as the Old Europe dies out. Turkish control of the EU may speed up the extermination the original european population by perhaps a decade or two. Is it something desirable?
mv Wrote:Screw smaller states.
I'm not surprised. I watched on Euronews "tragic" history about the Aland Islands and snus. It's a comedy...
http://verybritishsubjects.blogspot.com/...s-law.html
Relax Gosplan!
In fact EU can't exist in todays state.

mv Wrote:quadrat wrote:
The USA are most interested in Turkey joining the EU, as the example a Muslim country can find a place in the "democratic" world. .


Or perhaps to make sure that EU is powerless.
It would be control shot.
Why would Turkey in the EU weaken the EU? It's wealthier than many EU states are now and it's people create new kids,something Europeans stopped doing already.
Palladin Wrote:Why would Turkey in the EU weaken the EU? It's wealthier than many EU states are now and it's people create new kids,something Europeans stopped doing already.

They already have arabs, but mostly in ghettos.
They are already scared of Polish Plumbers.
Their social security system is going down the drain.
And you want them to pay more taxes for more kids...Turkish kids...on every corner?

Well, I do S2
MV,

I see it the other way around,the Turk youth would be a boon,not an impediment. But,it's not my concern anyway.
Palladin Wrote:MV,

I see it the other way around,the Turk youth would be a boon,not an impediment. But,it's not my concern anyway.

We are talking about different things. Objectively, you well may be correct. But I was only referring about the desires of the French voters.

Likewise, objectively the illegal immigration to the US may be a good thing (I did not say this!), but it is a losing electoral issue.
Strictly from human potential,Europe needs new blood like the Turks have. However,are Turks more loyal to Islam than say a better life within the EU,THAT is the question?

Long term,it probably doesn't matter,Europe is dying out and Turks are going to migrate their whether EU citizens want them or not.
Well Palladin, Turkish economy is improving very fast and Turks looking at Central Asian countries with more interest than to Europe. Turkey is already 7th biggest trade partner for EU, but I don't think Europeans should count on any large scale immigration from Turkey. For example I think this year more Europeans (retires) moved to Turkey than Turks moved to Europe. Also birth rate is slowing down in Turkey, I think currently the average is 2.2 children per family
I think Europeans might have to look to Africa to fill in their work force. I think Chinese (even though their economy is also booming) and India and Pakistan could be other sources for immigration.
Kamil,

Yes,if Turkey's population growth slows down I agree with this concept.