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Shocking!



http//www.sandmonkey.org/2006/09/07/speechless-2/
You're still shockes, eh? I'm surprised Patrick. I quit being shocked a long time ago. But then again, I'm just another one of those " extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, libertarian, disgruntled" people. I'n not secular though. S1
I'm being facetious,I am less shocked than anyone since anti semitism is taught about in Scripture. I didn't need the Muslims to teach me.

I know what the genesis of it is,too and it's not someone a fella wants to spend eternity with either.
Went to the link you have given me and read that woman pictured in first photo went through 11 surgeries, with more surgeries to come.

She is slowly recovering and second picture is taken to show her thanks to the surgeons who have operated and will operate on her.

Are you dissapointed that she was not killed?

The article also had a response telling why Lebanese civilians were the main targets of Israel.

Quote:Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version) “Now kill all the boys and Men . And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

I guess since she had the boy, she becomes a legitimate target.
Kamil Wrote:Went to the link you have given me and read that woman pictured in first photo went through 11 surgeries, with more surgeries to come.

She is slowly recovering and second picture is taken to show her thanks to the surgeons who have operated and will operate on her.

Are you dissapointed that she was not killed?

The article also had a response telling why Lebanese civilians were the main targets of Israel.

Quote:Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version) “Now kill all the boys and Men . And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

I guess since she had the boy, she becomes a legitimate target.

You missed the entire point of the article. While the blogger was grateful for the mother not dying, he castigated the Press for not doing their job. In the old days, a good reporter, who took the opening picture, would perform 'follow-up' on the case, in order to get the "whole" story. That is conveniently forgotten today.

Patrick, and myself, are saying that not only is it laziness, but "willful" laziness on their part. That is why the MSM is not respected by most of the US citizenry. The profession of Journalism needs a complete overhaul, because they are even further at the bottom of the barrel than the Education profession, if that is possible.

Further, the anti-Israel bias is in almost All things when dealing with the press. It is so flagrant, that when it does NOT occur, there is no way of telling so.
No it is not me who missed the point.

Al Safir Newspaper which published the first picture, also published the second picture with mother and son holding the first picture, saying their thanks to doctors who treated her.

Link to the Nespaper: http://www.assafir.com/iso/today/front/771.html
Kamil Wrote:No it is not me who missed the point.

Al Safir Newspaper which published the first picture, also published the second picture with mother and son holding the first picture, saying their thanks to doctors who treated her.

Link to the Nespaper: http://www.assafir.com/iso/today/front/771.html

Kamil, now you are insulting my intelligence. If you honestly think that I am not smart enough to understand what you are pointing out, then I consider your judgement to be warped.

It is you who absolutely refused to look at the rest of the story. Good day.
Actually Christian Lebanese friend of mine translated the article, looks like the first picture was not even published in that newspaper.

The blogger cut portion of the second picture trying to show that it was published.

I guess media is double edged sword, if monkey.com supports their views, it becomes a reliable news source, but if CNN News does not support their view points they become biased S2
This could be an innocent sequence of photos taken by an unfeeling photographer and used by both sides to make a point. It may also be that the photographer may have called the Red Cross in to help, who knows? The article is down now and impossible to understand in its original form, anyway. I wonder about its accuracy because a summary mentioned the Red Cross and not the Red Crescent.

What bothered me the most was the reference to Numbers 31 and how Moses seems to be no better than Mohammad at his worst. No matter what we look at: photos or Koran vs. Bible, there is always a dissonance that seems insurmountable isn't there?
Kamil,

John was correct,it was you who missed the entire point of the posting,I ought to know since I posted it. It was to show the media has falsified the record in the Hezzbollah war on Israel.

The woman was allegedly dead according to the media,but we see now she is doing fine. It was a propaganda piece that people like you desire to believe.

You're an anti semite and an anti Christian for whatever reason. Why do you choose to continue living where most Jews and Christians do when you are free not to?

William,

From your viewpoint and Kamil's,Moses was definitely an evil monster(as was King David,Gideon,Abraham,Joshua and other Biblical heroes)but from God's,he was a very excellent servant.

I find it intrinsically just to kill those who would remove human freedom and attack my nation specifically. I'm pleased our WWII generation killed enough Germans and Japanese to bring about a just peace and I'm pleased to read of Moses attempting the same,it's a good role model,IMO.

You find it evil and compare Moses to Bin Laden. So,you see Osama's killing and Moses' as morally equivalent do ya? Do you see Bush as evil as Osama? If not,why not? Bush,like Moses,is responding to attacks on his people.
1 difference is Bush is going to fail because he doesn't have the objectivity of Moses if he doesn't wise up.
Palladin, go back to the link you posted, the author has updated his original article and now has the true story.

Quote:Update:

It seems that the reactionary in me got the best of me. Upon reading the article in al safir newspaper, it seems that the woman did almost die and then got saved by 11 medical operations. I have to agree with BP that the boy and his mother didn't stage this.

Of course, now posters are questioning why would she have 11 surgeries in Lebanon Shock

It is a very simple explanation for that, she had multiple injuries in different parts of her body, and she had to go back to surgery as she was healing from her previous surgeries

Palladin, you say
Quote:The woman was allegedly dead according to the media,but we see now she is doing fine. It was a propaganda piece that people like you desire to believe.

You're an anti semite and an anti Christian for whatever reason. Why do you choose to continue living where most Jews and Christians do when you are free not to?

My question is again, are you dissapointed that she was saved through surgeries?

I don't know about you, but it seems like majority of Christians in the USA has exactly same viewpoints as I do on this latest crisis in the Middle East.

Perhaps it is you who should move to Israel and live among people who you like, but you will find out that there is not 100% support for the latest actions of Israel among your peers.

I'm very happy to live where I'm living now S2
We are ALL getting slightly out of hand here. It is not about the eleven operations, and aparantly all of us are looking at things differently. Let's all of us step back and take several deep breaths before resuming again.

Patrick, you are calling him an Anti-Semite. In truth, he is a Pro-Muslim, which is not the same as the other for everyone. Kalil, you are not looking at this through a 'western' lense.

Let's 'chill out' a bit.

This is why religious discussion can be so confrontational and rancorous.
Sorry John, I edited my previous message before seeing your response.

Without knowing somebody personally it is impossible to judge somebody from these posts. Palladin thinks he is a good judge and quickly jumps into final conclusions about somebody's character.

Religion has never been my motive to support or not to support any conflicts or wars.

I supported our actions in Afghanistan, Libya, even in Iraq (before finding out that they had nothing to do with Al Qaida, but still support our staying there until the situation is stabilized), etc.
I believe in the right of Israel to exist in their present location, their right to live in peace, and take all the actions they need to take to secure these rights. I have supported all the previous Israeli actions in the past, but this time I felt they over reacted.

As far as media goes, throughout the history, each side have tried to use media for their advantage, and that will never change.
Kamil,

NO,not at all am I sorry she lived,that wasn't the point. If anyone is alive,according to The Scriptures,it is because God has deemed it so. I am not sorry Osama is alive,when God desires him dead,so be it.

I posted the article simply because it appeared to one more example of the media siding with Hezzbollah in it's dishonest portrayal of the conflict.

Are you glad all the Jews are not dead,Kamil? You have yet to lament the first Islamic attack on these people. You've yet to agree that Hezzbollah and the media made up lots of anti Jewish trash which you have circulated here.

Does it concern you that God allows Jews to continue to exist?
If you would have read my previous message, you would have seen that I stated
Quote:I believe in the right of Israel to exist in their present location, their right to live in peace, and take all the actions they need to take to secure these rights. I have supported all the previous Israeli actions in the past, but this time I felt they over reacted.

As far as media goes, throughout the history, each side have tried to use media for their advantage, and that will never change.

and you would have not asked id I believe Israel has right for existance S2
Kamil,

We got 3 bombs and you support our GWOT,but Israel gets the same amount of missles London got from Hitler(4000)and they over reacted?

Or have you changed your mind on supporting our GWOT?

You don't support their right to exist in peace anymore than Bin laden does,that's flatly dishonorable of a statement there. You support their right to be murdered it seems to me,but have not openly called for it yet.

I don't understand why you can't be honest,it's OK for Muslims to murder Jews. Most Europeans agree with you people. He.ll most people on earth agree with you people,until your side starts murdering them. I bet most Thais agree with you people until Muslims started their anti Thai jihad,too.

Be honest,respect yourself. Jews in Israel are only good to be murdered. That's what you seem to be saying here.
If you read Israeli media, you will see that many Israelis including parents who lost their children in the latest Israeli actions agree with me that there was over action in their part.
Do you consider these Jews as Anti-Semites?
Besides Arabs are also Semitic people.

As war as "GWOT" goes, IHA.
Kamil,

3 weeks of half as.sed war after 4000 missles is not over reacting. They should have wiped out all of southern Lebanon for starters as the Brits and allies flattened Germany.

Cindy Sheehan(and our own FitobeThaied) thinks America is evil and you people are the good ones,is this a good indicator of how Americans see you Muslims? I doubt it.
If you can find 1 Jewish mother who thinks Islam ought to freely be able to murder Jews in Israel,I bet I can find more that don't. Unless of course the Jews are ready for a repeat of the Hitler era,which seems to be your objective.

You haven't filled us in on your code,what does IHA mean?
The 4000 Katusha rockets you talking about landed after Israel began their invasion. The reason for invasion given was to free 2 Israeli soldiers. They have not been freed, over 100 Israeli soldiers have died along with many civilians on both sides.
Hizbullah have been elaveted to the role of heros for many Arabs, financial aid and updated rockets with longer range are being made available to Hizbullah, while Lebanese civilians are suffering.
Tell me what did Israel gain from this invasion attempt, in my book if gains don't justify cost than it is overreaction.

I did not know what "GWOT" meant, "IHA" stands for "I hate abbreviations".
Global war on terrorism.

I have to agree they failed,but it wasn't due to OVER REACTION. It was due to under reaction.

If Israel flattened southern Lebanon say up to the Litani,I bet the support for Hezzbollah kidnapping IDF soldiers would go down and I know Hezzbollah's ability would go down as well.

Just because Israel acted cowardly is not a mandate to start thinking the terrorists who started the war were righteous.
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