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The Iranian people in the Khuzestan and Bam districts protested over 500 million given to Hezbollah when they haven't received aid for the Iran Iraq war and the earthquakes there. Darn it Bush take advantage and go forward even if its only diplomatically. Hammer the Iranians for funding terrorism at the expense of the Iranian people. Covertly start a revolution there darn it.

Iran is costing us victory in Iraq. Iran started a nightmare in Lebanon. Iran wants a nuclear weapon. Make life miserable for the mullahs.
That's the premier hope on earth right now,the average Iranian youth.
This only the start. Watch out when Iranians learn how much their Mullah is waisting in nuke projects!
We'll see. They make like Western culture and freedom, but they hate American foreign policy. Their fear of us may overcome their desire to become like us.
Anon,

Most the stuff I read and this includes US students at Oxford who visited Iran recently(this was on 60 minutes) indicates the average youth LIKES America as well as our culture and people. They are not like the old guard.

No,they wouldn't like us to invade their nation,but I think they would like it if they could rule their own futures like we do.
I know they like America, but they don't like American having an army in the Middle East. And they don't like the idea of America invading Iran.
Actually anon many Iranians are happy we got rid of Saddam. The mullahs, and those against the mullahs. Saddam was the guy everyone hated in the region. Except Zarqawi since alot of his guys were obviously linked with the Iraqi military before the war.
Iran is a net importer of gasoline, putting sanctions on that would be pretty effective. I think the late actions of Hezbollah also had the intention to put more pressure on the Sunni regimes that were left (Iraq and Afghanistan are gone.) They couldn't fully support Hezbollah and oppose Israel, this won't be very popular.
I'm not sure that the average Iranian youth is upset that we have an Army within striking distance of Tehran. I agree,they don't want an invasion,but our presence assures them that if they did start something,we wouldn't sit back and allow the government thugs to massacre millions of them either.

I doubt German Jews were real upset the US Army was close to Germany and I think lots of Iranian youth see us the same way right about now.
Not all Iranian youths are liberal though guys....


ALso, sanctions are a good step, but the chance of of EVERYONE following the rules imposed under the UN SC are slim to none. We should expect the Chinese and/or Russians to broker deals in black.
I've heard about 75% of the Iranians hate the mullahs. That means 25% or perhaps half of that 25% likes them. In a country of 75 million people you could imagine a small percentage like 10% is still a huge amount of people.
neorealist234 Wrote:Not all Iranian youths are liberal though guys....

Keep in mind here, that the word "liberal", to you, means an entirely different thing with 80+% of the rest of the world, that has not been contaminated with US political manure. Liberal to the overwhelming majority of the world, means exactly what Biker Dude, and I, use here. I thought I would make you aware of this. Wink1
The tally was 30% hard line,70% reformist in their vote several years ago. That was everyone.

I figure the youth are more liberal than the general population.

No Iranian wants a foreigner to invade their nation,but I bet most of them want to overthrow the mullah rule and we can assist them if they are serious.
Except to destroy their nuclear program the only military action I would advice is one of aiding or rescuing the freedom fighters when they begin a revolution. Ofcourse right now I'm calling for the Bush administration to take covert action encouraging and aiding these young Iranians to liberate their country.
John L Wrote:
neorealist234 Wrote:Not all Iranian youths are liberal though guys....

Keep in mind here, that the word "liberal", to you, means an entirely different thing with 80+% of the rest of the world, that has not been contaminated with US political manure. Liberal to the overwhelming majority of the world, means exactly what Biker Dude, and I, use here. I thought I would make you aware of this. Wink1

I understand the gobal def'n of liberalism
Independents4Bush Wrote:Except to destroy their nuclear program the only military action I would advice is one of aiding or rescuing the freedom fighters when they begin a revolution. Ofcourse right now I'm calling for the Bush administration to take covert action encouraging and aiding these young Iranians to liberate their country.

We can give the generic advice...which I'm sure most of us agree on: supporting an uprising in Iran.

How does the US gov't and CIA specifically do this?
Ok well now you've put me in a delima. I don't want to put out there the strategy for terrorists to read and adjust to. You see neo the terrorists know conservatives in our government are behind the drive to overthrow the Iranian regime. They are intelligent enough to read what we say because all of us are not so unique that a thought or idea is not shared by someone else very similar to us out there. They probably do read conservative literature from the United States and the West in order to get into the head of the enemy.

If I were to outline a detailed strategy with tactics, the terrorists can easily read it and then figure out someone within the administration has ideas exactly like mine. Now they know more of what to expect and can adjust to it and develop a counter strategy. With a revolution however there are some basic ground rules the Iranians already know of because of their revolution in the late 70's. Beyond this I will not comment. Neo you're a smart guy, analyze the situation on the ground. Use your imagination and you could develop your own strategy. Perhaps we think alike and would have the same strategy. It is especially risky to post a strategy since the Iranians invented chess, are the masters at it and its like allowing them to read your mind in a chess game against them.
Don't be so sure they'd be willing to overthrow their government. Youth are generally apathetic when it comes to real political change, unless galvanized by a core group of leaders, as in the 1979 revolution... and you can bet the mullahs have made sure no such group has arisen. Furthermore, the hardline government has become more popular because of its stand against America and Israel.
Anon you bring up a good strategic point. Since you already stated it I'll give you alittle bit of what a plan would look like to adjust to that Iranian policy. You have a core group of these people outside the country and broadcast their message inside the country. Heck if you can have Iranians believe the core group is still within and they can't find them it boosts their popularity. We have the internet so this could help us with this. We could do this with North Korea but getting a message inside is more difficult.
The so called liberals of Iran who escaped to Turkey after Khomeni took over were much more fundamendalist Moslems than an average Turk.