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We tend to blame the Muslims,blame Afghanistan,blame Iran,blame Bin Laden,but at the end of the day,it is the Russians who give the Muslims the wherewithall to make the problems they do for us and for their own citizenry.



http//www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453956.073611111.html
Palladin Wrote:We tend to blame the Muslims,blame Afghanistan,blame Iran,blame Bin Laden,but at the end of the day,it is the Russians who give the Muslims the wherewithall to make the problems they do for us and for their own citizenry.



http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune...11111.html

Russians, Russians... Russians invented only ... 20 years ago...
Quote:Syria acquired either 500 or 1,000 of the missiles, and an unknown number of the associated 9P163-1 launcher units (the 9P163-2 variant is for vehicle/turret fit), from the Ukraine, on behalf of Iraq. Even 1,000 of the missiles would not provide enough units for a robust defense, but would clearly make the defense of Baghdad a more evenly-matched affair for some time. The Kornet-E warheads are offered by Russia in either a conventional high-explosive (HE) warhead or a thermobaric blast warhead (the 9M133F-1); it is not known at this stage which variant the Iraqi Special Republican Guard acquired, or whether they have both. The range is from 100m to 5,500m in daylight, or up to 5,000m using the night thermal sight.

The US newsweekly, Newsweek, reported that the Ukraine had sold 500 Kornet-E missiles to Iraq in January 2003. This was specifically denied by the Ukraine Foreign Ministry on April 1, 2003. The weapons, however, have appeared in Iraq, and GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily sources reported that either 500 or 1,000 of them were exported from Ukraine via Syria. Significantly, the Government of Ukraine, in an attempt to position itself on the issue, has expressly joined the US-led “Coalition of the Willing” in the war against Iraq, although limiting itself to humanitarian assistance in the conflict. Kuwait requested that Ukraine provide assistance in chemical and biological defenses for Kuwait in the war, and later asked that the Ukrainian capability be extended “outside Kuwait” (ie: into Iraq).
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Iraq/Apr0903.htm
BH,

Your people supply Islam with weaponry,PERIOD. You may as well save yourself the time of claiming we supply Saudi Arabia and therefore we do,too. I have yet to read of the first HUMAN murdered by an Islamic terrorist utilizing US EQ.

Your own soldiers are being murdered using weaponry made with Russian labor.
What was it that the Jack Nicholson character was told by his father in Prizzis Honor, when he had to 'whack' his wife?

"Hey, it's just Business".

Remember that?
I think you may be stuck in the Cold War, Palladin. Your generation was taught the Russians were supreme villains - and when it turned out they were a giant paper tiger, it was hard to change mindsets.
This makes no sense. The Russians are the worst people in the world because they supply the Islamists...how about the Islamists themselves?
b5b,

Maybe I over reacted,BUT,consider this.

Yea,the Muslims are our deadly enemy,but at least they are raised in a religion and culture that taught them to.

Russians are allegedly a fellow Christian and/or agnostic humanist culture. Yet,they arm the Muslims to include those murdering their own CHILDREN for heaven's sake.

Russia has been and is privy to technology since WWII era and for what use? To arm Joseph Stalin and that crew and now to arm Islam.



Without Russia,who would arm Islam? Certainly not themselves.

So,Russia is the physical enabler of Islam,those crying mothers of Beslan ought to look in the mirror for some virtue and wonder why they have leaders that armed the men who murdered their kids.

Without Russia,Islam would be a much weaker foe.
The only way they can make money is by selling arms to their enemy. If they embraced a free market liberal democracy perhaps they wouldn't have to. Ofcourse the Russian people will never demand this since they don't care if they get slaughtered by their bread and butter 5 years from now so long as they have their bread and butter. This is simply what makes us better than them. Thats right I said it we are better than you Russia. We won the cold war and you're a failed state. \S2/

Maybe I sowed the seeds of encouragement. :lol: Wink1
Palladin, there were rumours about Kornet in Iraq, but the war is over, where is it?
RPG-29 is not enough effective against modern armour with explosive elements ... if hatch is closed and head is within tank. Only commander was killed, it means cummulative missile hadn't breached armour ... I can't explain it in another way.
And some foto from Israel media - hezbollah weapons. Look on this mostly prehistoric exhibits, designed in Russia and in US.
http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/index.php?modu...ew;id=1037
John, any comments? IMHO old russian Malutka and old american Tow. I mean designed in Russia and US. Who produced it and when?... I don't know.
According do Israel Seventh Channel Israel army had found russian RPG, american anti-tank missiles, israeli 120mm mortars and ammunitions.

And about villains. Palladin, you hadn't read Olmerts words too carefully. Try once again:
Quote:"European countries attacked Kosovo and killed ten thousand civilians. Ten thousand! And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket.

"I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo. But please: Don't preach to us about the treatment of civilians."

If you hadn't understand, try once again:

Quote:I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo.
And don't blame me in antisemitism. Olmert is simply a bitch... And his problems are his problems...
BH,

Russia has and IS arming Islam across the globe,including your own Chechen fellow citizens.

The IDF has already lost more tanks than we have to YOUR weaponry.

I'd say if your elected leader Putin wasn't afraid we'd arm your Muslims with more stingers,he'd rush to arm Islamists we're fighting. Anything for a buck if you're a Russian,including murdering your own children.

Here,read about your nuclear arming of Iran's latter day Hitler. Something tells me it is you Russians that will regret this way before anyone else does.

http//service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,430902,00.html
Palladin, you still can't take information as it is.
Look on foto above: ancient russian anti-tank missile Malutka, guided via wires..., not so ancient american TOW. Today we know, it was marked as a property of Israel army, and Israel made heavy 120 mm mortar. IMHO Hezbollah was tired to carry it.
So, who supplied Hezbollah?
BH,

When the atomic bomb drops over Moscow delivered from Tehran,maybe you'll see what I'm speaking of. BH,I like you personally,but your PEOPLE don't have enough virtue collectively to keep your own government from arming the Chechens and the Iranians.

That's a fact. It bothers me much as you can see.

Were I the US POTUS,I would cut off all relations and anyone else who traded with you would not be able to trade with us. You can keep your oil and sell it to Iran. I'll ride a bicycle to work.
Anonymus24,
"I think you may be stuck in the Cold War, Palladin. Your generation was taught the Russians were supreme villains - and when it turned out they were a giant paper tiger, it was hard to change mindsets".
Paper Tiger? I don't think so. In a good old fashioned hand to hand combat they would have finished of your special forces including Rambo and Jason Bourne like babies. You can train them as much as you want, there is no compensation for animal cruelty. I've seen them.
25 years ago your technological edge wasn't as big as it is today. Besides, wars were meant to be fought with nuclear weapons. Whether such a thing lands on Manhattans 20th or 60th street makes no difference, it didn't have to be smart.
Anyway, why have you been scared shitless about a "paper tiger"?
Because you were told so. Because there were people in your country who profited from it.
Why are you scared shitless about towel-head terrorists?
Because you are told to, and, see above.
Let's compare, as long as the USSR existed, there was an enemy more equal to you, with a defense budget about the size of yours.
Today, nearly half of the whole world's military budget is spent by a the US. Your GDP is way bigger than that of all muslim countries combined. Even your defense budget is bigger than Middle East's GDP.
However, you are scared of a handful of camel jockeys and wage great wars against them. United States vs. Billy the Kid.
If it wasn't a war for influence, money and power, I'd say America has a medical condition called paranoia.

I have yet to read of the first HUMAN murdered by an Islamic terrorist utilizing US EQ.
This one I like too. Why seek so far away? 2,600 American soldiers died in Irak so far, 340bln USD spent I read previously.
2,600 soldiers. Is not around ten times this number of people murdered in the United States every year and do those murderers not usually use finest American weaponry?
340bln USD, that is around 1,100 for each American, babies and geriatrics included. Or 11,000 for each one of the poorest 10% of your population to run a more decent life. Could have made a difference, less felonies perhaps.
An utter-rubbish idea of course, the money belongs into the pockets of defense contractors and triggers more profits for all the people who need an imperial America.
Quote:Paper Tiger? I don't think so.

So you mean Russia's incredibly downfall all happened in the last 10 years, right? Wrong - it was a long time building.
Welcome to Ai-Jane Quadrant. It's nice to see that some over at the GW forum can still read. Wink1

Anyway, if you would tell us a bit about yourself at the Introduction Thread, it would help us get to know you better.
quadrat: So Russia was no paper tiger, but the threat was still exaggerated by the US?

Pick and choose your arguments a bit, do you?
Quote:Talking about Chechens, I know only one nation comparable in their love to weapons - Americans.
Rumors say Chechens had guns in Soviet times also. They are exteremely crazy about guns. Add to those guns the weapons they had got when Dudaev declared so called "independence" and you'll have highlanders for whom the war is a religious art.

And that is why they are so dangerous.

If another country invaded the US, I hesitate to think of how long it would take for them to be completely chewed up by a citizenry, that was, as you said it, "extremely crazy about guns".
b5d,
America needs enemies, therefore America creates enemies. After WW2 the communist USSR, former ally, did the job.
I lived from 85 - 89 in the USSR and can say, it was a really poor. The state of the USSR economy was of course well known in the west but hardly reported to a broader audience. You would not have feared them, knowing too much.
However, they could spend 30 - 40% of their GDP for defence and you had to spend a mere 5% or so to be on par with them, there actually was kind of a military-strength balance. The Russians in power were content with the situation, the American menace rallied their peasants behind their flags, after all, they had a bad occupation by the Nazis a few years earlier and it was easy to sell them the importance of a strong military.
You were content too, counting money.
You could have collapsed them earlier just by an increase of your defence spending, in wich case you would have lost your enemy to soon. No more proxy wars. No good business, either. Your military-industrial complex made good money building atomic weapons until absurd numbers of them were collected that could kill of earth' population several times.
A change of strategy was needed, new challenges to earn more money, different weaponry, different enemies.
The Reagan administration decided to finish the Russians off and did so. Not weaponry that destroys as much as possible but high-tech was the new game, the Russians could not afford it and in trying, ruined their country.
Seems to me the Americans were a little surprised about the speed of that collapse, after all, they needed some time to breed their new enemies, terrorists.
A slightly modificated American version of Soviet history. :roll:
Green Wrote:
Quote:Talking about Chechens, I know only one nation comparable in their love to weapons - Americans.
Rumors say Chechens had guns in Soviet times also. They are exteremely crazy about guns. Add to those guns the weapons they had got when Dudaev declared so called "independence" and you'll have highlanders for whom the war is a religious art.

And that is why they are so dangerous.

If another country invaded the US, I hesitate to think of how long it would take for them to be completely chewed up by a citizenry, that was, as you said it, "extremely crazy about guns".
Don't be silly.
They are dangerous because they kill with those weapons.

And what country are you reffering to? Wetbacks?
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