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Little setback for the Morales "Castroite" movement. Will he find a way to chnage things his way without the democratic support? I think he went too far too fast and brought on this result.


http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060703/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bolivia_referendum_14
Yes, apparently the new, indigenous president of Bolivia has bitten off more than his country is willing to chew just yet. He has majority support, but not 2/3 support. Let's hope his efforts remain constitutional.
Thai,

Also,the rather significant autonomy movement cannot be good news for a socialist visionary either.
This is one of the principle reasons why Collectivist states either fold, or become a tyranny. They soon realize that popular voting does not farour them, when whey wish to ram through their ideas. So, when they fail, as they always do, they must either go along with the voters, or clamp down by either rigging things, or outright takeover.

The 20th century is loaded with examples of this. I wonder why so many Collectivists actually keep thinking that only one more push should get things turned around? Sill if you ask me. S1
I can understand(while still disagreeing myself) with some of these folks desiring socialism in some states. The natives are "nigg.ers" and always have been.

The Europeans own everything and that's the very tiny percentile.

Mexico is the same way,note their leaders are ALWAYS Europeans,business,politics,you name it.

So,the desire(though falacious) that if we can have socialism,WE the 99% can finally have something more than what we have is understandable to me. I am in fact surprised at this latest vote and proud of the Bolivians.

They seem to somehow understand that just taking the assets of the 1% and giving it to the 100% without new growth is meaningless. That's good.

Really,how does a good governor take a state from this oligarchy to decency?
Palladin, I agree with your recent post, except whatever you think you meant about people who think that the natives are little better than n**gers.

Yes, there's the problem, exactly: anywhere in the world, considering the situation on the ground at the moment, how do you transform an oligarchy into a real democracy? Mexico's trying, rather hard, and you don't get transformation overnight, anywhere. Old habits die hard.

Indeed, how decent - or how economically justifiable is it, even - for 5% or less of the population to own and control more than 95% of the assets, means of production, etc.? In my opinion, we need to somehow (non-violently) convince the oligarchs that it's in their best interest to develop a prosperous economy that benefits more people, and empowers them to buy more goods and services. I told that to some rich Venezuelans on 1/1/2001, and look what they've got now.