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Does anyone have any idea how France expects to enforce this fascist law requiring Apple to create a vanilla download service?

Quote:French lawmakers approve 'iTunes law'

By LAURENCE FROST and NATHALIE SCHUCK, Associated Press Writers

French lawmakers gave final approval Friday to legislation that could force Apple Computer Inc. to make its iPod and iTunes Music Store compatible with rivals' music players and online services.

Both the Senate and the National Assembly, France's lower house, voted in favor of the copyright bill, which some analysts said could cause Apple Computer Inc. and others to pull their music players and online download stores from France.

The vote was the final legislative step before the bill becomes law — barring the success of a last-ditch constitutional challenge filed last week by the opposition Socialists.

Currently, songs bought on iTunes can be played only on iPods, and an iPod can't play downloads from other stores that rival the extensive iTunes music catalog from major artists and labels — like Sony's Connect and Napster.

Apple described the original version of the copyright bill as "state-sponsored piracy" earlier this year, but a company spokesman was not immediately available to comment on Friday's vote.

In a statement issued after lawmakers hashed out the final compromise text last week, Apple said it hoped the market would be left to decide "which music players and online music stores are offered to consumers."

The final compromise asserts that companies should share the required technical data with any rival that wants to offer compatible music players and online stores, but it toned down many of the tougher measures backed by lower-house lawmakers early on.

It also maintained a loophole introduced by senators, which could allow Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple and others to dodge the data-sharing demands by striking new deals with record labels and artists.
I think its good. If I buy a song why should it be limited to only Apple products?
Bruddet Wrote:I think its good. If I buy a song why should it be limited to only Apple products?

Is that the only place where you can get music legally?

Also comrade, are you against ownership of intellectual property?
Quote:I think its good. If I buy a song why should it be limited to only Apple products?

No one forced you to buy it and you know the limitations before you buy it. The product belongs to Apple if you don't like it choose from a variety of other options.
John and Dem,

Copyright and Patent laws have enabled Apple to enjoy economic prosperity that they would not otherwise have if competition were freely allowed to copy and modify Apple technology in a truly free market.

I say live by the regulators, die by the regulators. Apple's proprietary position has only been maintained by artificial means of government laws and regulations, and they glady accepted that. I don't have any sympathy for Apple when the table is turned on them by their previous protector.

-S
John L Wrote:
Bruddet Wrote:I think its good. If I buy a song why should it be limited to only Apple products?

Is that the only place where you can get music legally?

Also comrade, are you against ownership of intellectual property?

No of course not. I never buy music or use Apple products so it doesn't really bother me but I can understand people who find it annoying to the extent it requires action taken by the state.

As for your question I think all information should be distributed under something similar to the GNU GPL license. Some people might say this is not profitable but I think that you can make money off free information as many companies are doing so.
Bruddet Wrote:No of course not. I never buy music or use Apple products so it doesn't really bother me but I can understand people who find it annoying to the extent it requires action taken by the state.

I can see no reason for it to ever require the State to intervene. First of all, there are many other places where one can buy and download music. And second, no one is forcing the potential buyer to buy from Apple. This is a classic case of "doGooderism" and "GetEvenWithEmism". It is a classic example of the State mandating policy where it has absolutely no business. If Apple pulls out of France over this, then the customer has lost another venue with which to purchase music, albit even via Apple's wishes. And third, I can easily convert ITunes music into Mp3, quite easily. However, I don't fool with it, because I have my own means of obtaining my music, which costs me far less, and is prefectly legal.

Quote:As for your question I think all information should be distributed under something similar to the GNU GPL license. Some people might say this is not profitable but I think that you can make money off free information as many companies are doing so.

Perhaps, but it should be up to the owners of intellectual property to decide which way they wish todistribute their property. It is not for the State to regulate this. Only a few ground rules are necessary to ensure that people are not being cheated, and then leave the Producer/consumer relationship to work where it works best.
We Mac users laugh at those who bash Apple.

To say they got rich by some kind of under-handed misuse of copyright loopholes is silly. They became successful because they built a better mouse trap. I work in graphics and vastly prefer a Mac over any other platform. I'm currently working at a place that requires me to work on a Dell laptop multiscreening with other monitors. Jobs that I normally finish in an hour takes all day.

They fell into the VHS-Beta predicament, where the inferior system became the standard, and pricing and manufacturing costs rose because of it. It is extraordinary that they survived until the iPod came along to resurrect a virtually dying company. If iTunes is proprietary to Apple, it is only because the Windows world dominates so completely in most areas and was designed to not work with competitors.

The whole France anti-Apple stance is hilarious to me because of a 6/22/95 Dilbert cartoon on the wall of a place I worked. It showed Ratbert arresting a beret-wearing Frenchman: "Don't lie to me, Gustav! You're a stinkin' Mac user!"
WmLambert Wrote:We Mac users laugh at those who bash Apple.

To say they got rich by some kind of under-handed misuse of copyright loopholes is silly. They became successful because they built a better mouse trap. I work in graphics and vastly prefer a Mac over any other platform. I'm currently working at a place that requires me to work on a Dell laptop multiscreening with other monitors. Jobs that I normally finish in an hour takes all day.

They fell into the VHS-Beta predicament, where the inferior system became the standard, and pricing and manufacturing costs rose because of it. It is extraordinary that they survived until the iPod came along to resurrect a virtually dying company. If iTunes is proprietary to Apple, it is only because the Windows world dominates so completely in most areas and was designed to not work with competitors.

The whole France anti-Apple stance is hilarious to me because of a 6/22/95 Dilbert cartoon on the wall of a place I worked. It showed Ratbert arresting a beret-wearing Frenchman: "Don't lie to me, Gustav! You're a stinkin' Mac user!"

While I agree with you Bill that Apple does not deserve this French Fascist over-regulation, I still question your point that with the Dell you take a day to do what you could normally finish in an hour. Is not Photoshop pretty much the same thing in either format? And could it not be that unfamililiarity adds a wee bit to the mix? Your bias is showing it's imagionary slip here. Were Apple to be All that much Better, everyone would be clamouring for it, but they are not. Why?

And yes, only the French could stumble and fall all over their huge Gallic nose here. Whereas, the only thing really saving a Keystone Cop computer company is something that is only vaguely related to computers: ie music. Note the only thing saving Apple is it's New ability to run Windows.

Only one question: if Apple can now run on Windows, does this mean that Apple sees it as it's only route to survival?

And yes, I too fell for the BetaMax thing, with my first VCR being a Sanyo Beta HiFi, which is still in my storage closet. But the fact is that Japan Victor covered ALL the bases, whereas Sony, in all it's hubrus, thought it would restrict competition, just as Steve Jobs and crew did. Well, too bad for them, and your precious Stallion. I Love it when you admit defeat so gracefully Bill. S6
Stallion?

Actually, some of the ease of use comes from connectivity between apps - the very thing that makes Windows-based platforms exclusive. Macs can run almost all Windows apps seamlessly. Another telling issue is the lack of control over fonts. If I build a document in InDesign or Quark Xpress using standard fonts, there is no guarantee with other platforms that the end result will print the same way it was designed. Regardless of claims made - I have seen with my own eyes the vanishing of kerning and hyphenation controls from PC documents when going to Press, causing rebreaking of lines and orphans and widows running about screaming for help.

When I started up this contract, It took two IT guys and several managers and team-leaders to get the machine up and running for me - even though all the apps had been pre-loaded. When I started working - they discovered none of the fonts would work correctly - so it took another half day to fix that snag. I'm not one who complains about having decent employment. I just think the company would make more money if its graphics were more professional. They also agree, but are limited by proprietary usage by their clients. Ford is still demanding they use PageMaker. We do what we must with the tools provided and add to the productivity as best we can.
Stars and Stripes, you seem to not appreciate the fact that property rights are essential to liberty. Furthermore, if you are not allowed to own the fruits of your labor, who would labor?

Copyright laws are the means by which governments protect their citizen's property.

I think it behooves us to speak out against infringement on private property. Socialism as a government institution is the antithesis of human nature.