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Quote:An Islamist militia has taken control of Somalia's capital, Mogadishu, after weeks of intense fighting against an alliance of warlords.
Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed, chairman of the Islamic Courts Union, said his forces have fought off the secular coalition, which was trying to retain its grip on Somalia.

According to the BBC, a meeting is being held to discuss the surrender of fighters still loyal to the warlords. Interim Prime Minister Ali Mohammed Ghedi says his Baidoa-based government wants to begin a dialogue with them.


In a statement, read over local radio stations, Sheikh Sharif Sheik Ahmed urged residents to accept the new leadership. "The Joint Islamic Courts are not interested in a continuation of hostilities and will fully implement peace and security after the change has been made by the victory of the people with the support of Allah," he added, according to the BBC

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/...83,00.html

So, considering Bush is determined not to include Somalia in the War on Terror...
Anon, are you saying that while you are against the Iraq war, you are all for us stepping in at EVERY instance OTHER than Iraq?
Anonymous24 Wrote:So, considering Bush is determined not to include Somalia in the War on Terror...

But Somalia is in the WoT all right.

Understand that Bush/Rice program is the promotion of Islamic fundamentalism; and Somalia is our new success in this glorious effort. Let it join Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq, PA,..... all the way to the Khalifat

:!:
No John, I'm using sarcasm to show that the 'War on Terror' isn't really about stopping Islamic fundamentalism or terror. Its about oil and containing China. I'm also showing that Bush's policies are based primarily on domestic political concerns, i.e. "How ill so-and-do action effect my polls?" Our government knew there was a problem in Somalia, but in part won't commit troops because the word "Somalia" is so unpopular in the American consciousness.

BTW, many are saying this Islamic takeover is a direct result of U.S. support of the corrupt, tyrannical warlords. Just like 9/11 is a direct result of our support of corrupt, tyrannical Mideast governments over a period of several decades. Let freedom reign!
Anonymous24 Wrote:No John, I'm using sarcasm to show that the 'War on Terror' isn't really about stopping Islamic fundamentalism or terror. Its about oil and containing China. I'm also showing that Bush's policies are based primarily on domestic political concerns, i.e. "How ill so-and-do action effect my polls?" Our government knew there was a problem in Somalia, but in part won't commit troops because the word "Somalia" is so unpopular in the American consciousness.

BTW, many are saying this Islamic takeover is a direct result of U.S. support of the corrupt, tyrannical warlords. Just like 9/11 is a direct result of our support of corrupt, tyrannical Mideast governments over a period of several decades.
Except the part about "containing China" (and even that is hard to fantom with present stretching the ME mop-up forewer, but ok) you've lost me here. Could you explain what you mean by:
1) "about oil"
2) if Bush is so concerned with polls as you claim, why his poll #s are so low and continue to fall?
3) do we really support warlords? Last time I checked Mr. Clinton tried to fight them over there.
4) While it is possible that present conditions are the result of our support for ME scary clowns, I cannot follow your logic from the premise (=we support...) to conclusion (=we've got 911).
5)
Quote:Let freedom reign!
How?
Anon,

9-11 happened because we're the big boy of infideldom,nothing more or less. The Taliban is a great example of what happens when these people actually rule and we had nothing to do with creating it nor did any of our policies.

They ruled by sheer determination and ruthlessness that makes Joe Stalin look like a girl scout and if you are so ignorant to imagine that type of ideology and level of determination to do what they did had or has anything to do with any act or thought of western oriented people,you are a dupe of theirs.

It had and has to do with their view of the globe and their role in it. You do them a fine service blaming your own people for their evil.

Only because we are the strong do we get their attention,before this is done with,there is no place on earth for people like you to run and hide away from their wrath. Go in search of a place,maybe Switzerland is a good starter.

http//counterterrorismblog.org/2006/06/europeans_worried_about_terror_1.php
1) Iraq has the second largest number of untapped oil reserves in the world. Don't you think that having 100,000+ U.S. troops over there could be, I don't know, beneficial to us in this regard?

2) Because Karl Rove's political schemes are backfiring on him, and the people are not as dumb as he thought they were. The polls certainly aren't low because Bush 'does what he says'.

3) Yes. We clandestinely supported secular warlords against the Islamists. And it has blown up in our face. Bush I supported the warlords during his term, before he decided to give a going-away present to Clinton during his lame-duck presidency...

4) Our support of governments that repress Mideast people caused those people to hate us, and many of them to form terrorist networks dedicated to hurting us. Bin Laden has states his primary goal is 'the removal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia and the Middle East'. How much more blunt could he get?

5) That's a sarcastic remark about how the United States preaches freedom yet suppresses it in the name of U.S. interestes. Specifically it refers to what Bush said after the Iraqi interim government was ushered in.
Palladin: No, the Taliban came into existence because of the Soviet Union. But in their case, like the case of al-Qaeda, they gained their power and support because of the peoples resentment of Western interference.
Anon,

Are you going to stick with your denigration of American soldiers by posting impirical evidence of their past,present or future theft of Iraq's oil or are you just the standard coward who makes such charges without anything other than your limited mentality and absence of moral character?

I think I know the answer.

Afghanistan has no oil rocket scientist,explain that.
We're not stealing the oil, we're "protecting" it.

S1
Produce some evidence of your accusations,coward.
Produce evidence that invading Iraq is part of the War on Terror.
And failing to use bellicose rhetoric on a messageboard doesn't make me a coward.
Anon,

You've denigrated every soldier,sailor, airman and Marine in this nation. I know you have no character or conscience, you're the one who made the accusations.

Support them with some evidence.



And YES,anyone who doesn't serve and denigrates those who do serve is a coward.
Palladin, at the very core, I'm sure Anonymous "Che" 24's problem is that he is a frustrated socialist living in an increasingly Free market world.

-S
I didn't denigrate them. Bush did, for sending them to fight an unjust war.
S&S,

If he had an ounce of honor,he'd join Al Qaeda.

Anon,

You accused the USA of sending 100K soldiers to Iraq to steal their assets.

You still haven't given a thimble of evidence they would or have. That is unjust,not fighting the enemy everywhere we find them,which appears to include you.
Palladin, my evidence is that we're *not* fighting the enemy wherever we find them. We're not fighting them in Pakistan; we're not fighting them in Saudi Arabia; we're not fighting them in North Korea; and we're fully prepared to sell Taiwan down the river in the name of commerce.
Anonymous24 Wrote:1) Iraq has the second largest number of untapped oil reserves in the world.
And so does Canada. Let's invade it... Oh, wait, we already did, by our capitalistic proxies: Exxon, BP, SU, NXY, ....
Quote:Don't you think that having 100,000+ U.S. troops over there could be, I don't know, beneficial to us in this regard?
How beneficial? I think it would be more profitable just simply buy it from SH or any other clown because: it would have kept the prices low and avoid inflation, and (as a corollary) it would prevent Russia from reviving its imperial dreams, and it would allow to concentrate on "China containment", and it might have prevented the polls #s from sliding down, and....etc.

Quote:2) Because Karl Rove's political schemes are backfiring on him,
Can you share how do you know that? For all I know he might as well designed his "political schemes" this way :lol:
Quote: and the people are not as dumb as he thought they were.
Again, how do you know? But may be you are correct: they are not as dumb as "he thought", they are, apparently, much dumber.
Quote: The polls certainly aren't low because Bush 'does what he says'.
Agree, first doesn't flow from the second, but why than you think that he went into Iraq for his domestic reasons? While polls might not be connected to what 'he says' they certainly contradict the {domestic needs (whatever they might be) <--> Iraq} conjecture.
Quote:3) Yes. We clandestinely supported secular warlords against the Islamists. And it has blown up in our face. Bush I supported the warlords during his term, before he decided to give a going-away present to Clinton during his lame-duck presidency...
It was a smart move if they did.
Quote:4) Our support of governments that repress Mideast people caused those people to hate us, and many of them to form terrorist networks dedicated to hurting us.
I think this is possible, but only if the "Mideast people" are way smarter than we are.
Quote: Bin Laden has states his primary goal is 'the removal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia and the Middle East'. How much more blunt could he get?
Do you believe him, don't you? BTW, just between us and because I like you I can arrange some hot property at 10-th of its market price if you will come with immediate cash in the next few hours. :lol:
Anon,

Great,that proves 100K US soldiers are thieves. That's a real evidence winner there Anon.

Ever consider we're limited who and where we can fight because kids like you let kids like mine do your fighting for ya(I did the same as a youth,I admit this)? Never have understood that have ya? 99% are like you,the 1% volunteer and you call them thieves,do you have a clue how that would make my son feel? I won't tell him to spare him.

You say Iraq is "unjust",but you want to invade Pakistan and Saudi Arabia we've never had problems with and that is "just"? Sincerely Anon,where is the logic to your morality? Islamists are all over Iraq,we've been at war with Iraq since 1991,we're there with lots of Iraqi allies doing most the work,that is JUST and smart.

If we cannot handle them there,forget all your other tactical battlefields.

I agree that these other 2 have plenty of Islamists,but you're discussing the need for probably a permanent increase of 1 million more man Army,are you up for it? The fact is,if we invade Mecca,this really does give all Muslims cause for jihad,THINK before you speak. In fact,it would take nuclear weapons to accomplish your dreams(I'm all for that)

You won't serve to prevent China swallowing Taiwan,nor will I,so why are you accusing Bush of selling them out? The American people have a fight for our lives on with Islam,Taiwan is nothing to me whatsoever.
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