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WmLambert Wrote:Red Baiting? Get a dictionary and learn a working vocabulary.

Those who wish to be a part of this nasty nascent party are child molesters and sexual abusers, or enablers of child molesters and sexual abusers. By definition.

Starting a political party, no matter how stupid, is only the right of legal citizens. Criminals can only become a part of the system by esposing a legal agenda. Anyone who urges criminal action or abets it is an accessory to the crime - even if the crime is avoided.

If you doubt this, try to hire an undercover policeman posing as a contract killer to murder someone. It is likely the policeman will not follow through with the murder, but you will go to prison.
No, not the same thing.
People who favor changing the laws against murder have every right to start a political party and try to persuade people. It won't work, but they have the right. Now, if they announced they were murderers or were caught and convicted of murder they would go to jail.
Age of consent is a totally legitimate area of legislation throughout the entire world. Different countries and states and provinces, etc. make different political choice about the SPECIFIC age, but pretty much the entire world believe there should be a LINE IN THE SAND. I agree of course. However, I also would have a lowering of the age of CONSENSUAL sex to 15 or 16. Many countries are doing fine with even lower ages of consent, but I think 18 is unrealistically high. Many US states agree with me. It doesn't make a personal a criminal for favoring this tweak in the law of something that is currently illegal. It is called legislation and politics. Sex is a red herring issue is all, and you are milking it, same thing Jerry Foulwell does.
One wonders when God is going to be fed up, and allow a tsunami to smash down all the dykes that keep out the sea from half of the Netherlands. People who live below sea level should be especially wary of inviting divine retribution.
Ron Lambert Wrote:One wonders when God is going to be fed up, and allow a tsunami to smash down all the dykes that keep out the sea.
Not for a long, long time, because the Netherlands is an advanced country and has the best dykes in the world, unlike backward Katrina-ized United States.
Have you checked the age of consent laws for the various states of the Union? Many are well under 18? Do you rationally believe something magical happens to young people at midnight when they turn from 17 to 18?
Thaiquila Wrote:
Ron Lambert Wrote:One wonders when God is going to be fed up, and allow a tsunami to smash down all the dykes that keep out the sea.
Not for a long, long time, because the Netherlands is an advanced country and has the best dykes in the world, unlike backward Katrina-ized United States.
Have you checked the age of consent laws for the various states of the Union? Many are well under 18? Do you rationally believe something magical happens to young people at midnight when they turn from 17 to 18?
What age that is magically hit at midnight would, in your opinion, be acceptable?
Speech may not be criminal,but pedophiles are so beyond the morally repugnant of the vast majority of humans that we generally don't approve of their public friendly discourse,Thaq.

You do.

I think the answer to Solo's question as relates to you may be 1 year old. We share in common 1 eternal soul,2 legs and 2 arms and that is about it.
SoloNav Wrote:
Thaiquila Wrote:
Ron Lambert Wrote:One wonders when God is going to be fed up, and allow a tsunami to smash down all the dykes that keep out the sea.
Not for a long, long time, because the Netherlands is an advanced country and has the best dykes in the world, unlike backward Katrina-ized United States.
Have you checked the age of consent laws for the various states of the Union? Many are well under 18? Do you rationally believe something magical happens to young people at midnight when they turn from 17 to 18?
What age that is magically hit at midnight would, in your opinion, be acceptable?
You miss my point. There is no magical age. Humans mature at different rates. All societies make a judgement and the laws on the books must be respected, that is what makes for civilization. I think a more realistic age is 15 or 16, but many countries have the age of consent as low as 12, and many countries make different (higher) ages for prostitution, which I also can see the point of that.
A line in the sand must be made (the age of consent). Almost all societies agree. The exact number for that line is 100 percent debatable and open to legislative discussion and possible change. Nothing radical or criminal about such discussion!
Palladin Wrote:Speech may not be criminal,but pedophiles are so beyond the morally repugnant of the vast majority of humans that we generally don't approve of their public friendly discourse,Thaq.

You do.

I think the answer to Solo's question as relates to you may be 1 year old. We share in common 1 eternal soul,2 legs and 2 arms and that is about it.
No, you are wrong. If you are a citizen of a country where the age of consent is 16, and you have sex with a 16 year old, there is no crime, and if that 16 year old is sexually mature, certainly no pedophilia has occured.
Thaq,

PEDOPHILES are humans that desire sex with YOUTH. They are predators. We're not discussing an 18 year old boy having sex with a 16 year old girl here.

It's an evil and repulisve impulse of some humans and not to be openly advocated for in societies with a modicum of virtue,IMO.
Actually, it means sex with children, usually meant to mean PRE PUBESCENT children. Humans become sexually mature at different ages. Most are sexually mature by 16 for sure.

pedophilia
One entry found for pedophilia.


Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pE-d&-'fi-lE-&
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
- pe·do·phil·i·ac /-'fi-lE-"ak/ or pe·do·phil·ic /-'fi-lik/ adjective




Palladin Wrote:Thaq,

PEDOPHILES are humans that desire sex with YOUTH. They are predators. We're not discussing an 18 year old boy having sex with a 16 year old girl here.

It's an evil and repulisve impulse of some humans and not to be openly advocated for in societies with a modicum of virtue,IMO.
Thaq,

So,what is your point now? Children are often "little children". I propose it is insanely immoral to desire said sex that if a person or group feels they are free to openly advocate for such it is a terrible reflection on the lack of virtue of said society.

I am confident that was John's initial reason for posting,he thinks Holland is showing signs of being devoid of any virtue when pedophiles can openly campaign for their desires.
It is totally ridiculous to paint the entire Dutch nation in any way whatsoever based on some novelty freakazoid story about a tiny group of people trying to change age of consent laws.
My point is people are knee jerk EMOTIONAL, and not the slightest bit RATIONAL about anything to do with sex and people "underage" and I am only pointing out that "underage" is a legislative construct, which each society legitimately decides to specify.

Clearly, this small group is on the EXTREME end of such a discussion and will find no success anywhere including the Netherlands (Nether, hmmm.)
Anyway, they already have an age 16 age of consent law which I think is already a very sensible age to set it, although 18 is not so bad either, like I said, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and it most certainly has to be drawn AFTER the typical age of sexual maturity.
Thaq,

I think it is rational to abhor humans who desire sex with kids. Not emotional,objective. Again,the term pedophile to us is not an 18 year old goofball and his 16 year old girlfriend. It's more a 45 year old predator and a 11 year old girl or boy.

Dutch society is corrupt or these pedophiles would NOT feel free to openly advocate for their conduct. They may be few,but society is accepting of their their advocacy.

When this occurs here,I'll hold us as responsible. We aren't far behind generally anyway.
I don't think there you can assert the Dutch are corrupt based on this case of free speech.
Also many middle aged men are glad to marry 18 year old girls, or 15 year old girls in countries and states that is legal in. That is NOT pedophilia. Foolish, most probably, but if a sexually mature youth enters into this with free consent, why should society judge of restrict it?
Thaq,

I am not discussing the situations you are. Pedophilia to me means me wanting to have sex with a 10 year old girl,not me wanting to marry an 18 year old girl,it is so different.

One case the girl has the mentality according to our societal standards to decide,the other she does NOT. That's the difference from my view.

So far as Dutch society goes,I admit,I am judging them harshly,but if pedophiles here were bold enough to advocate like this,it would tell me they feel this nation is tolerant of their RIGHT to do so.

That's sick,IMO. We should not be tolerant of that,this is all I am saying.
Tiresome regurgitation of old issues ad nauseum. (yawn)
This is obviously strange and abhorrent, but I don't see any need to ban any political party - the voters already do that. The same goes for nazi parties, for that matter.

Unless it's part of a coordinated effort to clean up Dutch politics and get rid of all or most of these 42 unelectable parties, that might be a good idea in its own right.
Palladin Wrote:Thaq,

I am not discussing the situations you are. Pedophilia to me means me wanting to have sex with a 10 year old girl,not me wanting to marry an 18 year old girl,it is so different.

One case the girl has the mentality according to our societal standards to decide,the other she does NOT. That's the difference from my view.

So far as Dutch society goes,I admit,I am judging them harshly,but if pedophiles here were bold enough to advocate like this,it would tell me they feel this nation is tolerant of their RIGHT to do so.

That's sick,IMO. We should not be tolerant of that,this is all I am saying.
I agree real pedophilia is one of the worse crimes a human can commit, though what the US marines did in Iraq, murdering young children in cold blood, that was worse.
I don't see how you can have anything against Dutch people. They are the best.
TQ Wrote:...what the US marines did in Iraq, murdering young children in cold blood, that was worse.
Hmmm. is the word allegedly in your vocabulary?

I know the entire media and most politicos have made it sound like the investigation is over, but few facts have been officially established yet. The abhorrence in this particular instance is very high because such actions are so contrary to the mindset of our military. Unlike pedophiles - no one is arguing for unprovoked murder to be made legal.

My hunch is that after all the facts are in, the soldiers will be judged to have taken extenuating circumstances past their limits and then went too far. Some may argue that the soldiers saw a need for an object lesson for those that harbor and succor terrorists - but if so, they did it without the moral teachings they joined the military to protect. They may well be guilty and if so will get the book thrown at them.

It is completely opposite to Wen Ho Lee getting the huge cash settlement from the government and from the media because his case was mishandled. He may be guilty as can be - and violated every espionage law in the book, and allowed the PRC to gain two generations of catch-up to our nuclear supremacy - but because some Clinton-era bureaucrats ruled he was to be let off the hook, the real investigators get hung out to dry by proving he was guilty.
Every country has its embarassments. Over here we have klansman and Bible-thumpers.
Anon,



We all worship something,you guys worship yourselves. You're welcome to enter eternity with that as your best hope,it ain't for me.
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