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My inclination,were I an Aussie, would be to view East Timor as a bad joke and an error on our part to have first intervened. Yet,they are taking the position opposite of my view. How do you guys see this?

Would you want us to do what Australia is given the same circumstances?



http//www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19301877-31477,00.html
Palladin Wrote:My inclination,were I an Aussie, would be to view East Timor as a bad joke and an error on our part to have first intervened. Yet,they are taking the position opposite of my view. How do you guys see this?

Would you want us to do what Australia is given the same circumstances?



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sto...77,00.html

they can't afford to view it as just a bad joke. It is on their very doorstep, and stability within the immediate area is in jeaprody. Besides, who else can step in? The Indonesians? The wonderful UN? Knowing how much you love both of them, your choice is no other, I would think.
Indonesia,that's who. It's an Indonesian state given independence via the intervention of Australia. I view it as a mistake.

They are proving hourly they don't have the culture to have a state.

Nothing but a small potatoes rabble.
Palladin Wrote:Indonesia,that's who. It's an Indonesian state given independence via the intervention of Australia. I view it as a mistake.

They are proving hourly they don't have the culture to have a state.

Nothing but a small potatoes rabble.

Not true. Is is a former colony of Portugal, that was forcedly taken over via Indonesia. And Indonesia went about systematically destroying the very social structure, Christian structure I might add, so why should they be put in charge again?
John,

I'm not an Aussie,but should foreign soldiers suffer because the locals are such heinous jackasses they act this way?

At what point is it a fact that a group of people do not have the character and unity to have a nation? I doubt Portugal cares,why shouldn't Australia just allow these boneheaded idiots to live with themselves in chaos?
Palladin Wrote:I doubt Portugal cares,why shouldn't Australia just allow these boneheaded idiots to live with themselves in chaos?

Because it amounts to instability on it's front door. This cannot be allowed to continue. If Australia is really dedicated to preserving peace and stability in the region, it is up to them to take the bull by the horns and straighten up the mess there. Clearly looking to Indonesia(where the problem started) and the UN( where things would be ruint) is not a pair of viable options.

The only question is whether or not they should come down hard or just toy with the problem.
John,

I think instability is an over rated bogeyman. What is it to Aussies if this tiny island of people ends up killing each other off?
Palladin Wrote:John,

I think instability is an over rated bogeyman. What is it to Aussies if this tiny island of people ends up killing each other off?

Simply this. Barbarism is contagous, and if it happens in one place it tends to bleed over into others. Men have two principle means of keeping this barbarism in check. One is a female, who naturally tames the inner barbarian within through the institution of marriage. And second is that of authority. Without authority, the entire system of cilivization quickly breaks down. on a large scale. Therefore, both: one the individual; and two the group, rely on this to keep us civilized.

Australia is very much aware that they MUST get a grip on the situation, or there are barbarians "Down Under" who will allow their more primitive drives to resurface. It's just that simple.